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    I'm in the market for an AV amp circa £1000 and had a quick listen to the Pioneer AX5i last week.

    I was a little dissapointed as I felt it sounded a little bright and "thin".

    Obviously no offence to anyone who has one - just my opinion.

    I was a little surprised as its been well reviewed.

    Anyone have any comments ? The MACC was switched off incidentally and I heard it through 2 different sets of speakers.

    Many thanks

    Tom
     
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    like the sony's, the pioneer amps I feel are very bright compared to the warmer smoother sound of yamaha and the more neutral denon's - like you, I am looking to upgrade but dont know whether to wait for yamaha to inroduce the audio delay feature. currently considering the denon 3803.
     
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    Has anyone heard the AX5i compared to the 2011? Has anyone read the reviews of the AX5i in the ocotober issues of What Hifi and What Video? thx. Sven
     
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    i have read that they are basically the same spec, bar the i-link, i am waiting for my ax5i to be delivered - the only reason i have bought this and not the £300+ cheaper 2011, is that it is more future proof with the i-link!!
     
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    @cpadams

    As I am looking for a plasma next year, the main interest I see is the audio delay feature like it can be found on the Denon 3803. I could still find the 2011 for 850,- euro compared to the lowest found for the AX5i at 1285,- euro. Maybe I should still jump on the 2011... grz. Sven
     
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    The AX5 won the best in the £1000-£1500 multichannel amp/receivers and WH said it over the 2001 represent a worthwhile improvements, and added refinements aimed to improve the sound quality over the 2011. And said it was the best sounding receivers in its class both powerful and highly polished.
     
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    I can't buy What Hifi over here in Belgium where I live, buying reviews online isn't possible either, a 1 year subscription for 1 review is a bit overkill...so would anyone mind scanning the article please? thx. Sven
     
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    I own the pioneer vsx ax10i, but i did have a play with the ax5i and thought it was...OK for its price

    As for the sound delay its not too bad a problem with the more up to date plasmas. for instance if you use a new pioneer plasma with hdmi and out put sound via ilink from dvd player there are no lip sync probs as every thing is digital from pic to sound so consider this when buying (same thing when using DVi

    Also lip sync probs do not occur on all dvds so settin an amp to delay for one film for good sync will cause a delay with another.

    Some DVDs are just badly encoded but good disc rarly give a problem.
     
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    Gandley, are you implying that you can iLink from the DVD direct to the plasma?
    I thought iLink was only on amps and players currently?
     
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    I too am looking at the AX5i so this is not good news.
    What else do you feel is a good competitor to it in terms of features (incl. iLink) , quality and price?
    The only other one I've seen rated at this price range is the Denon AVR3803 but I think it looks about 5 years too old!
    It seemed to be well specced (except for iLink) but it's just too ugly for me.

    BTW, what's MACC and is it a must-have?
     
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    No Brogan

    I-link from dvd to amp
    HDMi from dvd player to plasma

    (until HDMI inputs and outputs are on amps and then u wont need i-link as HDMI can carry audio as well)

    Personaly i prefer ax5i sound to the others here mentioned
    You need to hear them to get your preference. I Hate the yamaha sound others love it
     
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    That's what I thought you meant, just checking. :smashin:
    Kind of makes the component switching on amps redundant then and I haven't even upgraded to one that does that yet...:rolleyes:
     
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    LOL ITS ALL Go


    Then there will be I-Link2 and HDMI2
    you wait and see.
     
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    Sven look in your PM box.;)
     
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    Thx. Garrett.

    Looks like the AX5i is 'slowly' appearing in the shops now over here on the continent. Most prices seem like list prices and most shops have delivery dates of at least 3-4 weeks.

    I am waiting for the first hands-on experiences !
     
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    I was just about to write this as a new post but will add it here as it's applicable...
    I've short listed 2 or 3 receivers for my next system upgrade. Last upgrade was a
    gold Denon 2900 DVD player. My system is 50/50 for movies/music.

    Denon 3803 - Advantages = Same colour as DVD, will make good use of the
    video up conversion for using just a single component video lead.
    Disadvantage = no MACC auto configuration.
    Pioneer AX3/AX5 or 2011 if I can find one - Advantages = MACC. Disadvantages =
    won't match my DVD as well, no video up conversion.
    Most people say the 3803 is a very high quality sound and I've heard the
    2011 in action often at a friends driving Kef Q7s and have been very
    impressed.
    I never feel I have set my current amp up correctly (Sony DB840) and what's
    flying around on the screen never matches the sound quite right. I have to
    have my rear speakers placed in 'awkward' places (more to the side rather
    than behind) and I currently get a better surround experience standing in
    the middle of the room. I've set the distances correctly for the speakers in
    the set-up.
    The question is, is the MACC really that good and will it sort out my set
    up/sound experience problems? I'm also feeling I should change my amp anyway
    as part of the ever lasting upgrading we feel we should do.

    Any advice would be great,
    Andy
     
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    Andy

    Yes MACC is that good. when i first got my amp i did alot of tests with the mike in different places of the room and speakers did respond as i wanted them to. it was so accurate that no manual tuning was required. I was well impressed as with my previous amp i could never get it set up right.

    i admit i use the ax10i but i think the method is the same for all models with macc.

    Well worth it as all speakers seem in perfect harmony
     
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    Still not sure what this MACC is - couldn't seem to find anything on it via a search on this forum and Google.
    Is it an essential feature?

    What's this video up conversion on the Denon?
    My dealer didn't mention that when I was there last weekend.

    Don't know much about the 2011. Is it a forerunner of the current crop or a different product stream? Does it have iLink?

    I too currently have a Sony receiver (DB930) and I have to say I'm quite pleased with it.
    No problems with sound either in stereo or multi-channel mode.
    In fact, I don't even know why I want to upgrade (as if there's ever a good enough reason) :confused: :D

    P.S. Gold coloured appliances IMO should be shot at birth ;)
     
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    MACC

    Basicly you get a mike stick it near your seating position and it will balance all speakers so all sounds reach you at once. stops u from gettin drowed out by rears etc. it realy is handy as before u had to use a sound meter to set up an amp properly
     
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    AKA ear :D
     
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    lol ear and squint to increase focus
     
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    The Denon video upconversion lets you combine all video inputs into one component video out, so no source switching needed, without quality loss (100 MHz bandwidth). Downside : your receiver always has to be switched on whenever you want to watch on your tv/screen.

    I must agree with the former poster that the 3803 looks old, not to say uggly, especially in gold. This being one of the reasons I didn't buy it, even not at a much lower price than the AX5i.

    One argument against the AX5i could be the lack of DPLIIx. I'm still awaiting an answer from Pioneer whether they foresee an upgrade possibility...

    Fyi : The AX5"i" has i-Link, the 2011 not.
     
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    And here was me thinking I was covered if I got an amp that was DPLII capable.
    How stupid of me...:rolleyes:
    Surely this (below) is enough, isn't it?

    Surround Sound VSX-AX5i-S
    Dolby Digital Yes
    Dolby Digital EX Yes
    THX Surround EX Yes
    DTS Yes
    DTS-ES Discrete 6.1 Yes
    DTS-ES Matrix 6.1 Yes
    DTS Neo: 6 Yes
    DTS 96/24 Yes
    Dolby Pro Logic Yes
    Dolby Pro Logic II Yes
    THX Yes, THX Select
    THX modes THX Cinema

    Surround Modes Virtual surround back
    Advanced Cinema: ACTION, MUSICAL, DRAMA, SCI-FI, MONOFILM, 5-D/7-D THEATER
    Advanced Concert: CLASSICAL, CHAMBER, JAZZ, ROCK, DANCE, 5/6/7-CH STEREO
     
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    AX5is does have pro logic 11, not sure what the x is as i havent seen that on any amp
     
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    Just part of the never ending mountain that is known as "upgrading"...

    September 02, 2003
    Dolby Pro Logic IIx Launched
    In an effort to keep ahead of the pack in surround sound technology, Dolby Labs is in the process of introducing Dolby Pro-Logic IIx. Whereas, Dolby Prologic II has the ability to extract a 5.1 channel surround field from two-channel stereo sources, DPLIIx has the capability to extract a seven channel surround field from two-channel sources as well as enhancing 5.1 and 6.1 channel surround sources.
     
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    AAH see, sounds cack.

    . just give true 6.1, any how the thx ex mode enhances all 5.1 stuff to use the 6.1 mode already so this is no big deal.
    i use thx ex mode for all 5.1 stuff and dts-es if its a dts 5.1 and the results ill wager will be better than dp2x.
    Still one more for the list that dosent get used
     
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    :D Reminds me of that Voyager story where a manufacturer gets technology from the future but rather than release it all at once releases it drip by drip so everybody has to continually upgrade.
     
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    I sometimes feel I should have waited for a black 2900 to be in stock. I was told by the guy in Sevonoaks that everone wants the gold so that is what they try to keep in stock.
    I now feel that the MACC should be the definate reason to go for a Pioneer, rather than a 3803.
    Anyone know if the MACC is 'better' on AX3, AX5, or AX10. The AX10 is way over my price range although I've seen the non ilink ones for 1700 (graded whatever that means).

    Now if I have no requirement for Ilink then maybe the AX3 should be the one? Help!!!
     
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    The AX3 is avalable in black where the AX5 and AX10 are silver only.
     
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    If I recall well the AX3 doesn't have an USB port or 'lip-sync' audio delay. Just go to the Pioneer websites and compare both models.
     

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