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pioneer 868i and benq pe8700

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by gandley, Jan 2, 2004.

  1. gandley

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    Just trying to find out if there has been a fix for these two yet as there was a compatability issue when HDMI to DVI was used.

    thanx
     
  2. Tomaso

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    I have a Pioneer 868AVi DVD player (regionfree) with firmware v1.306 and I've just ordered a BenQ PE8700+ projector..

    After reading about the HDMi problems I brought the 868 over to a friend of mine to test it with his 8700+.
    When we tried with a 15 meter (10m+5m) long Molex HDMi->DVi cable we were only getting statics and we couldn't see anything..
    BUT when we tried it with a 10 meter long cable, the picture became perfect!!
    Could it simply be that people are using to long cables?

    Pioneer claims that the HDMi problem is caused by different standardisations..
    Since Pioneer was the first to implement HDMi, I've heard that they don't have any plans to change THEIR standard to oblige other standards.

    Pioneer are supposedly gonna release yet another firmware verion for 668/868 in a weeks time, but as I've understood, firmware are unlightly to fix any HDMi problems.

    btw; got a hold of this mail copy from Arcam support wich adresses the HDMi problem:

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    Below I have attahced an Arcam internal memo from the Design
    engineer
    responsible for the DV79 with regards to the HDMI cable and it's
    technical limits, I think this may answer your question.

    Please note: it is the HDMI specification that Governs the
    cable length
    and not the player in question.

    It has come to our attention that several companies are
    offering very
    long HDMI cables.
    We have obtained some of 10m and 15m. I understand that some
    companies
    are offering even longer ones.
    I have measured some of these and found that they do not work
    very well
    and do not comply with the HDMI specification.
    A 15m cable was found to work, however it was barely working
    and I would
    not expect it to be reliable. Its performance was way outside
    the
    specification.
    It is important to remember that if customers have problems
    with very
    long cables, it is due to the cable, not our equipment.
    I have found that of the cables I have measured, only those <3m
    actually
    comply with the HDMI specification.
    Having said that, cables of up to 5m will work reliably.
    If a customer wants to use a cable >5m, they do so at their own
    risk
    since we cannot guarantee it will work.

    Some cable manufacturers are going around saying you can use
    longer
    cables at lower video resolutions (like 480p) even if they
    don't meet
    the spec. This is not true, since the DDC channel is affected,
    and this
    operates in the same way regardless of the video resolution.

    Remember also that this applies to all HDMI equipment, not just
    Arcam.

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    A HDMi cable should in other words not be any longer than 3 meters!?
    Could be difficult for most people with projectors I would think..
     
  3. BKATZ

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    Pardon me if this is a bit dim....
    But can you tell me how to get the new firmware for the 868 (& did you notice any difference!)

    Thanks in advance!

    B.
     
  4. Tomaso

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    As I said, I only have the first firmware version, v1.306..
    Other known firmware versions are 1.406 and 1.506.
    As Pioneer soon is supposed to release another firmware version I can only speculate that it will be called 1.606.
    Pioneer has admitted to some kind of sync problems with the first 668/868 firmware version in rare combinations with certain display devices..
    The sync problem can be recognized by a picture that is 'squeezed' verticaly.
    This problem is supposed to be fixed in firmware v1.406, but the non-picture problems reported by many users are something else and probably related to standardisation and/or cabling problems wich won't be fixed simply by upgrading your firmware (at least not yet)..
    Maybe if Pioneer decided to add some kind of compability modes to the player setups, all problems could be solved?
    If you're able to find Pioneer firmware on the net you could possibly upgrade the firmware yourself, but Pioneer has clearly stated that all firmware upgrades should ONLY be performed by an authorized Pioneer Service Shop.
    Also keep in mind; after a firmware upgrade, region free players will have to be made region free all over again.
     
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    Thanks for the reply. :smashin:
    Last question! How do you find out which version your player is using?

    Regards & thanks again in advance!

    B.
     
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    hi you can use this The HDMI to DVI Adapter lets you connect an HDMI to HDMI (M-M) cable to a DVI to DVI (M-M) cable. The maximum recommended length of both cables combined is 60 feet (18.29m). There are HDMI to DVI cables available in 6, 10 and 15 foot cables offering 100% HDMI backward compatibility with existing DVI devices.

    Applications:
    1- Extending HDMI cables by using existing DVI cables
    2- Bridging between DVI cables and HDMI cables

    Will I loose any quality by converting from HDMI to DVI?
    Absolutely not, the DVI specification is set to support a higher bandwidth for computer and high definition (HD) resolutions. The HDMI specification is set to support only HD resolutions (i.e. 480i, 480p, 720i, 720p,1080i). You will not loose quality by changing to a different cable.

    Products used:
    LCD Displays
    LCD Projectors
    Plasma TVs
    Rear-Projection TVs
    HDTV compatible products
    Satellite Set Top Boxes
    DVD Players

    Specifications:
    Dimensions:1.7”W x 1”H x 1.7”D
    HDMI Connector: Molex HDMI 19pin Female
    DVI Connector: Molex DVI-I 29pin Female

    Details http://www.cable-shop.co.uk/shop/customer/product.php?productid=199&cat=91&page=1
     
  7. Tomaso

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    To view the firmware version:
    * Open the player's 'Home Menu'.
    * Go to 'Initial Settings'.
    * Higlight 'Options'.
    * Press the 'Display' button on your remote.
     
  8. BKATZ

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    Thanks Tomaso,

    V:1.406(16)AVI:2.0/2.8

    Regards again.

    B :smashin:
     
  9. Tomaso

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    Got this link from another forum:
    http://www.cine4home.de/Meldungen/Pio-DV-668-Fix/PioFix.htm
    (The page is in German, translate by using e.g. http://www.babelfish.altavista.com)
    Seems there IS a fix to the HDMi problems!!
     

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