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Pioneer 585???

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by pharris007, Aug 17, 2005.

  1. pharris007

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    HI does anyone have a 585? if so can i have a breif review? I am after a budget (£100ish) DVD with progressive scan for a Toshiba 42" rear projection TV. thought about the 575 but question about this flicker thing going on.

    If anyone has advice i would apreciate it.
     
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    Anyone?? :lease:
     
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    I have the 585, and am equally frustrated by the lack of reviews. I find it difficult to compare it to anything, as my last DVD player was a Toshiba I bought about 5 years ago. For example, I have noticed no layer-change pauses, but that may be standard these days. Picture quality I cannot fault, though again I've made no side-by-side comparisons. Mine is connected via component cables. One issue I've had is that PAL discs on progressive output exhibit a strange defect on my plasma - like a faint watermark of closely-spaced vertical lines, visible only in the lighter areas of the picture. I don't know if that's the player, the plasma or even the cables, but the effect is not there on NTSC discs.

    It seems very slow to turn on and load a disc, but once you're up and running it's very responsive. Remote is fine, navigations of menus etc is fine. It plays DivX and XviD without problems, except for two issues:

    1. jerky playback of packed bitstream files

    2. occasionally the picture suddenly slows down to a crawl while sound continues apace, then a few seconds later the picture snaps back into sync.

    It has excellent connectivity, it's really very small, and it comes in black.

    If you have any more specific questions, do ask. :)
     
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    I have the same problem :confused:
     
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    Which same problem?
     
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    I have this sam problem with avi files with the video skipping forward and playing slow while the sound continues playing at normal speed. When the sound catches up with the video the video plays at normal speed and all's well and in sync. It's quite frustrating.

    Does anyone out there have a 585 and NOT have this problem with avi files?
     
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    Hi gang.

    Thanks for your replys.

    Strange problem with the watermark slimline. I have a Tosh 42 rear projection just over 12 months old. I complained for months regarding a "watermark" streak down the center of my screen. It was especially visible when a camera pans from side to side against a palin background - DIY programmes notably good for displaying this fault. 5 repairs later it still persisted - Toshiba sent out their own engineer who said it was an interlacer!! and a normal trait.

    I later refered to this forum, with some fantastic feedback from owners, aparently all toshiba rear pro TV do this. If only i had known earlier.

    Thanks for your review. I am not bothered about Divix playback, just want a good picture and sound quality through component. I dont want to buy a Toshiba again! but the reviews for the E340 etc are great, and there is the compatability issue.

    I am forever faithfull to Pioneer though! i love their gear and they are the market and product leaders in DVD technology, esp as they were producing laserdisc when everyone else gave up.

    I will hang on a week or two - BTW what cables are you using? I think comonent have to be 75ohm due to the type of signal.

    I will keep refering to this thread.

    regards.
     
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    Pharris

    Did you get my mail?

    I'll be comparing my 585's connctivity this weekend. I have my trusty ProV from my old Samsung 709 and have borrowed some decent component cables. These will be connected to a Panny AE100. I should have time to do a small review over the weekend. I'll see if I can get some more SACDs - only got the 'war of the Worlds' so far which, to my ears, sounds simply astonishing.

    Chris
     
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    Hi Chris.

    Yep got your mail thanks.

    I spoke to a few hi fi dealers today, they insist on the pioneer, the toshibas prove to be unreliable and apparently cheaply made.

    I might settlr for the 380 - the 585 minus the SACD etc, dont know if i will use that. You lucky devil BTW owning the panny 500!!

    Look forward to the mini review Chris.

    Pete.
     
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    Only a Panny 100 at the 'mo.

    Would love to trade up to a Themscene H57. Took one for a weeks test drive a few months back. Now that really was something special - especially for the money. Easily as good a Sim 2 Domino at double the price.

    Watch this space as they say.

    CL
     
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    Just had my 585 up and running over the weekend and compared it to my flaky Samsung 709. The samsung was connected to my Panny AE100 via a ProV, the Pioneer via component.

    First impressions? Way better in every way. I had the same disc (The Matrix) running in both machines at the same time so I was able to easily see the differences between the 2 players. It looks like a fog has been lifted when watching the Pioneer. Everything looks so much more colourful, sharper, more detailed and more 3D on the Pioneer.

    The only thing I have noticed is a slight halo effect on some edges, but this could be down to sharpness settings on the PJ.

    In terms of sound quality I was very impressed by the SACD playback on War of the Worlds, but I've nothing else to really compare it to. The player has come in for some criticism in a recent 'What Hi-Fi' test for not being quite as good as the latest players from Denon et al. But none of the others will play every disc you can throw at it.

    All in all I'm very pleased with it - it's a real step up from my old Samsung, and for £120 it seems a bargain for being a one-stop-shop for playing any disc.

    All I need now is to get a better PJ.

    CL
     
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    There is a review of the 585 and other similar players in one of the What <something or other> magazines this month. Can't remember which one but check out the shelves at w.h. smith !!

    The 585 got a poor review compared to Denon 1720 and a Toshiba (which won the contest). The Tosh was the only one with a HDMI connection but it won because its picture was better via component than the other players (which don't have HDMI). The picture from the HDMI connection was considered poorer than via component from the Tosh but it still won because of price and performance over component.

    The Tosh was the cheapest player in the test. I can't remember which model.

    Dave
     
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    Thats amazing, all the players with DVI/HDMI I've seen have all been pants with their analogue outputs.

    Either they've botched the 585, or the Tosh is stunner, or it's yet another meaningless mag review...PJ :)
     
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    A meaningless mag review biased by advertising!! :lesson: Sorry a gripe of mine! :devil:

    Glad to hear your pleased with the pioneer. I went out and bought the 383 without the SACD etc. £55. :)

    WOW what a picture. I wondered what everyone meant by more 3D - now i know. got a rental copy of the magic rounderbout and it looked fantastic. So pleased, thnks to all for their advice - glad i stuck with my firm fav Pioneer. Sod the journalist what do they know!

    THE BEST REVIEW IS WITH YOUR OWN EYES AND EARS. :lesson: :lesson:
     
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    Why are they biased?

    I am in the market for a player like this and have been trying to track down a 575 based on what I have read on this forum that it is better then the newer 585.

    It is OK saying the best review is your own eyes but where can I get a copmarative demo of £100-ish DVD players? Surely at this price point we are relying on magazine reviews more than if we were shelling out £1000 for a player whih you wuld buy from a specialist dealer?

    Dave
     
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    The Toshs component outputs are as good as ever. The only competition I have seen at the cheap end is the Panny HDMI.

    585 didn't come out too well in that review.
     
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    Richer Sounds have plenty of them.
     
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    Indeed Richer Sounds do still have stock of the 575 as I picked one up the other week for £99... bargain for what it can do :)
     
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    I had a 585, it was awful so took it straight back next day. Blocky pictures, terrible digitising, slow to load, constantly made wering noise. Through QED component to pd7200.
     
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    Hi guys,

    I have just bought a 575 from RS in Stockport (Chester didn't have any in stock :mad: ), and after a 108 mile round trip I found it to be the most well worth trip I have ever done.
    I have been told by several people that the 575 is a better buy than the 585, but not having seen the 585 in action I cannot really comment on its performance, but rest assured I am MORE than happy with the 575.
    Just tried THE INCREDIBLES in prog-scan on my Toshiba 32" crt TV and all I can say is :thumbsup: :thumbsup: for picture quality.
    Sound is EXCELLENT aswell.
    Go out and find a 575 ASAP, you won't be disappointed.

    TTFN,
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    Dave,

    If a company is willing to spend £millions on advertising in your magazine are you going to slate its product in a review? No.

    You see thats my very problem, magazines do unjustifiably dictate the market, if they say its good, the whole world will buy it.

    I bet if you stuck a 585 and a 575 you would not tell the difference, so why is the 585 so bad? was the picture not as coherant (journalist slang :D ).

    too much advertising and poor reviews - but thats another thread.

    Bose are a company that rarely advertises or gets reviews because they know that due to lack of advertising they will be slated! and yet you will find that they are a very sucessful company selling many quality products because people know they sound good and are not influenced by anything or anyone else.
     
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    Have to agree I bought a 575 from RS and really am impressed with the quality for the price. Also got it hooked up to a Tosh PF3 36" and the picture is great especially through component prog dvd. Really can't say enough good things about the dvd player...though now need to upgrade av amp as it doesn't have inputs for full SACD and DVD-A...bummer!!
     
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    There may be some truth in your other comments but this one? I defy anyone doing a proper demo of Bose equipment up against similarly priced (and in most cases much cheaper) equipment not to prefer the non-Bose equipment on sound quality and features by some margin. Why do you think so few independent hi-fi dealers stock Bose. In my opinion, Bose's main market are individuals that like a trendy, upmarket name and a bit of style but who know little about and do not research what they're buying - to put it crudely, the Technics punter that has moved up market. Of course, in that market segment they are very successful but to compare them against more mainstream hi-fi products is crazy.
     
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    I don't really think you can make a case for any of the above. Pioneer do advertise and their products do get favorable reviews as well as the odd poor one.

    The review in question rated the Tosh better than the Pioneer and the Denon players so are Denon now going to go off and sulk and withdraw advertising?

    I have seen reviews of Bose gear as well, for exmaple the Bose two-speaker "surround sound" set up compared to similar offerings from KEF and others fairly recently. It wasn't slated so I can't see how lack of advertising played a part in the review outcome.

    As to the 575 v 585 it would not be the first time in electronics the new "improved" product isn't as good as the one it replaced.

    I don't know if that is correct but for some reason the 585 hasn't been as wel recieved as the 575.

    Dave
     
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    I was about to make the same trip as yourself to Stockport but just rang the Chester store on the off chance and they have had a delivery of 575's today.

    One has been reserved for me and I am off to pick it up on the way home this afternoon :D

    Dave
     
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    Hi,
    I had a call off RS in Chester to say they had taken delivery of some 575's cos I enquired about one last week. Nice of them to get back in touch with me and let me know all the same. GOOD OLD RS I say :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

    TTFN,
    Graham.

    OH and BTW, you WON't be disappointed.... :D ....
     
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    I understand what you guys are saying. But any decent HiFi retailer will tell you to ignore the magazines and make your decision based on what you think sounds / looks best.

    Mark, :nono: i will bet if you compare two sub sat system side by side i bet they will go for the Bose :smashin: Had a giggle at the technics quote though!. Bose select who they franchise through, i dont think they want their products finding their way into Tesco and other cheap retailers. they are a bit like Oakley sunglasses - you have to look for them and never in the sale.

    I once had someone saying the Bose AM 10 soounded like entry mission speakers - thats crazy. Bose are not mainstream so you wont find them in mainstream shops. What about B & O? same class.
     
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    Watched LOTR Return of the King - the extended edition last night to test it out and I was pretty impressed. There are more optipons to tweak in the menus than the Tosh it replaced and the menus are easier to navigate.

    The DivX playback is a bonus and works with the DivX files I have which is something the Tosh would not do.

    Dave
     
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    That is fine for more expensive gear and something I did when I bought a Linn/Naim Hi-Fi years ago but for a cheap DVD player it is hard to find a retailer that stocks a decent range of alternatives and will demo them.

    I agree, Bose and B&O are alike.

    Both companies have adopted a similar marketing strategy which aims to convince you that the premium price they charge is worth it. It is like the Stella beer advert - "reassuringly expensive". :rolleyes:

    With B&O I think it is fair enough as there is no doubt you are paying for the style and physical design. People will pay for that (the wife wants a Panny 500 Plasma due to the way the cabinet stand looks despite the price).

    With Bose I don't think that washes at all. Style-wise you can match them easiliy enough so to justify the price they should be better built and offer better performance. The mere fact they don't even fit decent speaker terminals but leave you with cheap bare wire connectors just shows you are paying way over the odds for what you actually get.

    Bose have a shop at the Chester Designer Outlet Village. It is all very snazzy and "designer" looking and no doubt convinces people they are buying a premium product but it just isn't true in my opinion. I suspect the people who shop there don't know they can do better for less money.

    Dave
     
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    Thought I'd add to this thread, that I've updated my firmware from 1.06 to 1.08 and I no longer seem to be having this sync issue with the 585A.

    Hurrah - after a few teething troubles it's looking like a great player, worthy of the 575.

    And it seems the usual suspects are kindly turning their attention to modding the firmware, meaning we mioght hope for similar features to those seen on the 575 mods.
     

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