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Pio 435 XDE. What they like?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by Bonzodogdick, Dec 30, 2004.

  1. Bonzodogdick

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    .. compared to a similar HD panel like the Pannie 42 PHD7?

    I know there are many threads on the +'s & -'s of the Pio, but can anybody give me a quick summary on its performance, PQ and how it compares to the competition?


    Thanks & happy new year all. :thumbsup:
     
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    I have narrowed it down to the Pioneer 435XDE and the Panasonic TH-42PHW6 or 42PHW7EX.

    If you put the positive and negative sides down on paper the 435XDE wins hands down.

    435XDE

    Positive:

    43"
    HDMI
    Accept 720p/50 and 1080i/50 for SkyHD.
    DVB-T

    Negative:

    Blacks not so good.
    Not any good at connecting an external scaler as the HDMI doesn't accept native input.
    Not so good with analogue inputs like SCART etc......

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    Panasonic TH-42PHW7EX or even you brits use some odd version called TH-42PHD7.

    Positive:

    Best blacks among all plasmas.
    Modular design.
    Accept an external scaler easily.
    Flexible.

    Negative:

    42"
    Doesn't accept 720p/50 and 1080i/50 for SkyHD and other Euro broadcasters.
    Judder when converting to 60Hz, you have no choice or stick to 576p/50
    Expensive due to the modular design you have to buy separate cards.
    DVI and HDMI cards are useless for 720p/50 and 1080i/50.
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    You pick and choose.
     
  3. Bonzodogdick

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    Thanks Lizzard,

    I was all set on the PH7D and then started wondering weather the missus would be happy going through the rigamorole of firing up the Amp, processor & Sky box just to watch daytime tv. Which is why the Pio started to attract me. Pitty the Viera didnt come HD ready, but we could talk about that for hours eh.

    Food for thought though.

    All the best :hiya:

    Bonzo
     
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    Remember while the digital input is good to excellent on the Pio, the scarts are not much to write home about. Future proof, maybe. Present perfect, definitely not.
     
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    Yes you are right, i forgot to add that, editing now. :thumbsup:
     
  6. Bonzodogdick

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    Then of course theres the 43 MXE1 to consider. How does that compare, and more to the point, how future proof is it???

    Blimey. How come Pio can offer a HD with a HDMI input but Pani cant (at the moment). Was Pio that far ahead of the competition?
     
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    The truth?

    Pioneer cares about European customers....
     
  8. Bonzodogdick

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    And Panasonic dont? Bizarre!
     
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    Actually i don't know what's wrong with Panasonic in this matter as it couldn't be a technical problem fixing their DVI and HDMI cards.

    In the end customers will turn away and choose another manufacturer.....

    Consumer power :thumbsup:
     
  10. Bonzodogdick

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    Lizzard and MAW.

    You guys clearly know your onions. So, money no object. Which plasma would you buy? Or put another way, what model you own?
     
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    I would pick Pioneer PDP-505XDE or if Panasonic fixed their problems i would choose the TH-50PHD7 and a good scaler to that as i like the picture quality of the Pannys.

    Two very attractive plasmas.
     
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    Sorry I have to ask. What is a scaler and how is it used? How does it benefit?
     
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    I do own a PHD7. Stuff HD I can honestly say Murdoch will NEVER get a penny of my money. I can promise you no content to speak of for at least another 4 years, then there will be a whacking price premium. I don't buy his newspapers either. A scaler is an external high quality way of fitting the resolution of the source to the pixel count of the display. There is no such thing as a true hi def flat panel display, except for a 22" samsung and a 45" sharp. Both LCD, neither worthy of being a HC display.
     
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    In the real world unfortunately Murdoch does earn a lot of money as Sky is the only realistic service around (whether its in the form of cable or dish). Unless you want to be restricted to the freeview stuff then you pay him your hard earned cash. I would much rather have SKY than not have it.

    Buying a HD panel and not willing to pay for Skys HD service is a strange decision unless there are other good alternatives. After all a high def panel is designed to display a high def signal. A scaled TV picture is not even close to a true high def picture. High def is visually stunning. If you want your plasma to view HD SKY then I wouldnt even consider the current range of plasmas apart from the Pioneer. If you dont want the Pioneer just sit tight for a few weeks and wait for the new compatible models to flood in.
     
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    well
    is it so awful connected with scarts?
    I ve seen a dvd on the 435 through scarts and it had a very good PQ.
    I ve got a dreambox satellite receiver.
    If I connect it to the pio will the PQ be laughable?
    Is the panny far better connected with scarts?
     
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    I have never had a problem with the quality of the scart inputs in my Pioneer. They do the job they were designed for and are probably just as good as the scart inputs in any other Plasma TV.
     
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    So why people screaming that pioneer doesnt have a good quality with analog inputs?
    I don t understand.
     
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    We've got Sky connected to a 505XDE via scart and IMHO the picture quality is excellent. :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

    Regards,

    Stan.
     
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    Which people :D . I can find you lots of Pioneer HDE/XDE/FDE owners and salesmen who will tell you the exact opposite. After all a BMW sales staff arent going to tell you that Audi/Mercedes are better.

    What is undeniable is that the Pioneer plasma TVs are less flexible than the display only counterparts (both Pioneers own offerings and competitors) in terms of picture tweeking, adding scalers etc. When I made the decision to buy a plasma I wanted a good quality TV first and foremost and something that would last me for 5 years or so. I didnt want to switch on my full AV system to watch the news etc. I wanted something for the house which all the family members including my kids could easily use. I also didnt want to spend £££'s on things like scalers etc to eek out the last drop of performance. Its bloody good anyway ! Through a process of elimination I was left to choose between the 50" Viera from Panasonic and the Pioneer HDE model. Thankfully I went for the Pioneer. AFAIK the Viera model will not work with SKY HDTV.

    The picture on the Pioneer via HDMI is nothing short of stunning and via scart (SKY) is perfectly acceptable and tbh pretty good on the majority of channels.
     
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    There you go - heres one already !

    Completely agree with you Stan.
     
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    I've got to admit, I was a little concerned when I read some of the reviews when these screens were released. The most common comment seemed to be that they weren't too hot with the likes of Sky and Freeview.

    Now that I've got the 505XDE going, I'm wondering what the hell they're on about !!

    I haven't even started "tweaking" the settings .

    Regards,

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    A Viera I take it you mean? The 50" don't seem very popular for some reason. The picture on a Viera is considerably less 'noisy' than an XDE, but not up to the standard of what can be achieved. And a viera will not be HD compatible with anything, so if it matters to you.... The thought of putting a scart board into a TH50PHD7 makes me shudder. Is that plasma sacrilege? There are 100 better ways of connecting.
     
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    Its all about opinions and preferences. . When I bought my Pioneer I did a direct comparision of the Pioneer with the Panasonic and preferred the Pioneers picture. With HDMI the Pioneer was simply better than a HD Panasonic connected via component. On Sky both had their weaknesses.

    When comparing Pioneer with Panasonic you have to compare the XDE/FDE with the Viera and the MXE with the PHD7. A lot of people tend to forget that when making recommendations.

    On a like for like basis Pioneer are not more expensive than Panasonic - Pioneer simply dont do a cheaper SD only model.
     
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    Is this a forum sponsored by Panasonic?

    It sure feels that way....
     
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    No, Lizzard, it's like a bike race, sometimes one is in front and sometimes another. I'd say with all the hi def, stuff it's poineer at the moment
     
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    Do you forsee a wave of HD plasmas hitting our shores in as little as a few weeks, or was that a figure of speech? Its obviously gonna happen, but WHEN??

    I do want to go as futureproof as possible, but Id prefer to buy a direct replacement for a TV as it needs to be a little more 'family' friendly. HDMI connection would be a requirement, as would XGA res.
     
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    I was taking a guess given the current situation - I would expect the next three months will see a lot of introductions.

    If thats what you really want (pretty much what I wanted ie a TV) at present the only choice is the Pioneer XDE/FDE or to wait a bit longer. None of the current Panasonics are SKY HD compatible - their might be a chance that Panasonic will get their act together on the PW7 but I personally wouldnt rely on it. In anycase its not a TV - the Viera is but the current model is dead in the water as far as I can see re Sky HD.

    It very straightforward to me - unless you want to muck around with additional boxes, scalers etc etc which cost bucks at present only the Pioneer XDE/FDE are Sky HD compatible based on the recent announcement. Any other argument is peripheral bullsh*t and is based on hope rather than announced facts. If you dont fancy the Pioneer sit tight.
     
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    Cheers Rags,

    Happy new year.
     
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    Sky must send some petty bad signals to you brits. Im from Denmark and have a FDE435. I have no problems with the pq from a digitalreciver connected through scart. Ofcourse the pq is not as good as dvd through hdmi put petty darn close.
     
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    Some sky channels look absolutly awfull on my sony 32" 100hz WS.

    Bit rate is fixed and low on a lot of cheaper channels, reds and a lot of movement make very poor pictures.

    Some channels are far better than others tho.
     

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