Hi, I am looking to get an dvdr and I have been browsing this forum and others to try to decided which model I should go for. After reading every post and review I can find I have become completely confused. At first I thought about the Phillips DVDR80 and then I changed my mind to the Pan E50 and now I have no idea at all. I am not that bothered about media although the features of DVD-RAM are nice, but the discs maybe a little to expensive for archiving purposes. What I am really bothered about is picture quality. Ideally I would like to record 3 or 4 hours on a disc and I was wondering if anyone as had any experience of the picture quality of the E50 compared to the DVDR80? I've read a review somewhere that said the DVDR80 had great video compression and that the video looked good even at M6. Is this true? Is the DVDR80 worth the extra dosh? I am a bit put off by the problems that people seem to be having with there Phillips machines though. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated, Joel.