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phosphor trails - help

fcz_

Standard Member
let's see if i understood this correct; all plasma tv's have this, some models more some less, but every plasma has them. people who are susceptible to phosphor trails will see them on any plasma, and the ones who are not will never see them, right?
the thing is that i want to buy an x10, and i'll go to my friend who has one to test myself if i am able to se phosphor trails. so if i don't see any trails on his tv, does it mean that there is no way i'll se them on my x10?

and what is the surest method to test if i am susceptible to seeing phosphor trails?
 

GreenBars

Active Member
I find the worst programmes for seeing phosphor trails are black and white films and programmes with lots of bright white scenes. I can see them if I quickly move my eyes from left to right while looking at the TV.
 

paulr2006

Distinguished Member
I have never seen them at all, so I would say your test should work for you, i.e if you don't see them on your mates panel you should be fine :)
 

japeries

Standard Member
and what is the surest method to test if i am susceptible to seeing phosphor trails?

Sin City is the obvious film to watch to test for phosphor trails. If you can't see them watching that you will be fine. I also found them very distracting in Public Enemies.
 

Paul MC007

Well-known Member
let's see if i understood this correct; all plasma tv's have this, some models more some less, but every plasma has them. people who are susceptible to phosphor trails will see them on any plasma, and the ones who are not will never see them, right?
the thing is that i want to buy an x10, and i'll go to my friend who has one to test myself if i am able to se phosphor trails. so if i don't see any trails on his tv, does it mean that there is no way i'll se them on my x10?

and what is the surest method to test if i am susceptible to seeing phosphor trails?

If it's any help, even if you do see them, I think you get so used to them that you end up "not seeing" them if you get what I mean.

I've got the predecessor to the X10, the PX80 (42") - I first got this in December 2008. I had no idea about phosphor trails at all and unfortunately I was one of those people who did notice them. They weren't *that* bad on my PX80, but as an earlier poster stated, more noticeable on black and white material - or indeed - if you quickly glance your eyes over the screen back and forth...

However, apart from reading this thread today (!) I've never given them another thought. Don't know if they "get better" as the set ages, but although I am slightly aware at times of them, they don't bother me in the slightest and hence why I said I kind of "don't see" them now, even though I think they are there!!! If that makes sense......???!!!!
 

Chelsea_Fan

Active Member
If you want to see a controlled test for phosphor trailing then watch the roulette wheel on super_casino.

(I'm not daft enough to gamble on there BTW :rotfl: )

It's on late at night on freeview CH5 and Ch39 but also I think it's on Freesat during the day.

If you watch the white ball spinning around the black track you should see phosphor trailing on a plasma TV.

On the last two laps the ball will be spinning at a known rate and you should see the ball appears oval shaped with the leading edge of the ball being purply blue and the trailing edge will be green.

Note: you have to track the ball with your eyes, if you just look with fixed eyes at the screen then you might not see the effect.


This is what I always see on my Pioneer 5090. It's always the same, and hasn't improved with panel aging like some people claim it will.

The reason it shows blue/green tinges is because of the different decay times for the red/green/blue phosphors used in the screen. This should be fairly well defined as it is down to the unique makeup of each phosphor used by the manufacturer. So some TV makes will be worse than others?
 

KevinCoed

Standard Member
I find the worst programmes for seeing phosphor trails are black and white films

Sin City aside, that's the only time I ever see them. My wife has never mentioned it so I'm assuming she's unaffected - I've never asked her about it just in case once I bring it to her attention she'll constantly moan about them.
 

Krullhero

Active Member
I see them on fast scrolling credits on my PX80, along with camera pans sometimes. Even my girlfriend can see it! That aside, plasmas rule. :cool:
 

GreenBars

Active Member
My wife has never mentioned it so I'm assuming she's unaffected - I've never asked her about it just in case once I bring it to her attention she'll constantly moan about them.

Me too.
 

D-man

Active Member
I can see them. I tried turning down contrast and up brightness and that helped.

Waiting for the new V25 phosphors which have a quicker turn off time.
 
If you have never seen them on a CRT then you wont see them on a Plasma -

Dont worry about it - even if you could see it ..its a still alot better than getting blur on a liquid display
 

john316

Active Member
Play Uncharted 2 and see if you spot them on that - it was a novelty playing again it again on my LCD after my plasma experience :D
 

Paul MC007

Well-known Member
If you have never seen them on a CRT then you wont see them on a Plasma -

Dont worry about it - even if you could see it ..its a still alot better than getting blur on a liquid display

I never ever saw them on my CRT, but the moment I got my PX80 I noticed them straight away!
 

airmyx

Active Member
I never ever saw them on my CRT, but the moment I got my PX80 I noticed them straight away!

+1

Sideways scrolling credits are horrific. Stuff like BBC Watchdog for example.

I even see them on vertical movie credits.

Horizonal landscape pans lose significant perceivable detail until the background becomes stationary.

Eagerly awaiting the VT25.
 

fcz_

Standard Member
i've watched some videos on which plasma tv's in action (with high motion films) are shown. i see phosphor trails, and all my friends who watched videos see them.

so is there a difference (in terms of phosphor trailing) when watching tv with your own eyes and through 'eye of a camera'?
 

mhjo

Active Member
I was very bothered with this when my set was new. However, it seems to dissapear over time.

When I got the brand new Pio 5090 in house a month ago, I saw them at once. Looking at the old Panny, theres hardly any left.

- And I am VERY picky....
 

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