I wonder if anyone else has experienced the same problems with the Phillips DVDR 890/80? It appears that after about three months usage the machine develops a problem where 'disc-warning' and then 'disc-error' appearing on the screen. The machine then tells you the disc contains 'unknown data' and can now be thrown in the bin. At about £3 a disc this becomes expensive but also infuriating as recordings made earlier in the disc are also lost. I wonder home many people have lost precious family events recorded on to this wonderful new medium from their camcorders. I purchased my first 890 in November of last year. By February the problem was appearing. Waited 3-4 weeks for repair. By June the problem was back. However I was then burgled in June and was therefore able to replace my Friday Afternoon machine. So pleased was I with the general performance, other than the obvious, I purchased another DVDR 890 last June. Two weeks ago, same old problem. I did contact Philips cusomers service who showed complete indifference. This is obviously a flawed system and flawed product that should have been withdrawn from sale, but Philips seemed to have covered it up. You can forget getting any sympathy from Philips they just don't care!