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phillips 9986 - my initial verdict

Discussion in 'LCD & LED LCD TVs' started by chris210972, Jan 7, 2005.

  1. chris210972

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    hi there,

    i must admit that my initial feeling was of dissapointment.

    the tv looks cool and the ambilight is great.
    however the picture quality on some channels is awful, on some its great and with cartoons ( i.e simpsons) its terrible.

    i have a telewest digi box hooked up using a thor scart lead.

    i suppose thats all down to high quality/poor quality channels on tv.

    i haven't tried my dvd player yet as i can't find the remote control and i'm looking to buy a dvi/hdmi player at the end of the month.

    i have set the tv using recommended setting posted on this forum.

    i'm hoping that in a couple of days the picture impoves (does this actually happen)?

    anyway, yes i'm dissapointed this morning but i'm also very, very pleased to own a tv of this nature and the idea of having it hooked up to a dvi/hdmi dvd player and hanging it on the wall makes me smile.
     
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    Chris,

    Could you post your opinions of PQ when you play a DVD .... when you find the remote of course.

    I like the look of this TV as well but would, initially, be using a standard (non-progressive etc) DVD player.

    Is PQ bad through the standard aerial channels ?

    Cheers

    Gaz
     
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    LCD Tv's are both blessed and cursed by being too honest to the signal quality. As you're discovering, the better the input, the better the output.

    I too was initially rather bewildered by the differences in the quality of the picture from channel to channel and, indeed, from programme to programme. But the TV is just displaying what it is receiving.

    I take it you've adopted the settings as per one of the other threads. Ensure sharpness is set to 1, 2 or, at most, 3. Don't sit too close, let it settle (it does seem to improve). Keep contrast at 63, brightness somewhere in the middle.

    To tickle your fancy, press the p-in-p button so you get two pictures on the screen. This reduces the picture to more or less the screens native resolution and gives you an idea of what HiDef is going to look like. Imagine a (nearly) full screen picture of that quality.

    Silly question, but is your STB outputting RGB?

    Have you checked its firmware version yet Chris?

    Stick with it, it'll pay off.

    Jimmy
     
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    i checked the firmware version straight away, its version 2.1.

    the digibox is definately set to rgb.

    don't get me wrong, the pictures on high quality material is excellent, it was mainly cartoons that dissapointed me (cartoon network etc).

    my sharpness is currently set to 3 (i think).

    brightness, contrast etc, is ok.

    dnr - maximum
    active control - maximum
    dynamic control - maximum

    dvd via rgb is very, very good.
     
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    Set your sharpness right back to 1 for cartoons to help produce a certain amount of anti-aliasing effect. This is how CRT's cope, basically by blurring everything together. Might be an idea to back the active and dynamic controls off a click.

    Jimmy
     
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    i'll try that thanks.

    it looks the dogs ******** though doesn't it.

    i'm looking forward to hooking it up to a dvi/hdmi player.

    would this picture be far better than using a pro scan player, or is the difference hardly noticable.

    can't decide if i should get the denon 1910 or the samsung dvi players or the pioneer 575 (pro scan player).

    if the difference is hardly noticable i may just opt for a pro scan player.
     
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    When I get my 9986, I'll be pondering the same DVD options as yourself! However, am thinking that a Pio 575 might be the way to go, as it's fairly cheap now £120 but used to be £250 and I know it'll play +R disks (which is what my Dell laptop's burner writes, but the Samsung probably will too and maybe the Denon can too). I may upgrade again when HD-DVD/Blu-Ray come out. So the Pio will become the kid's playroom DVD etc.

    Am also wondering what TV channels look fine to you .... I saw one at a Comet playing an old BBC sitcom through just an RF aerial feed. PQ was awful close up, but 8 feet away it didn't look too bad - at least not much worse than a big CRT.
     
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    The Denon and Samsung players upscale the picture from 576 to 720 and output it in progressive. If you get a normal prog scan dvd player you will only get 576.
     
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    hi,

    What will be the difference in the display of 576 vs 720?

    Thanks

    Mel
     
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    Normal PAL viewing (Everything we currently have now like Freeview, Sky and DVDs) are made up of 576 horizontal lines. The Denon and Samsung DVD players upscale this number to 720 which is closer to screens resolution and means you get a better defintion picture.
     
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    hi,

    I realise that 720 will give a better picture but say on a xxxx X 720 display how will a 576p look compared to a 720p. Will the 720p look significantly better or just a bit better (subjective i know!), will the 576p have black bars due to not being 720 lines on a 720 display?

    Sorry but complete novice here!

    Thanks

    Mel
     
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    Would setting the dnr to maximum not result in a 'soft' picture, negating Pixel Plus 2's detail enhancement somewhat? What does the manual recommend? I have used a Philips 30pf9975 and avoided the switching dnr on at all.
     
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    to be honest i was messing around with the settings so much last night that i didn't have time to look at the manual (comes on a cd rom).

    anyway its the weekend so i'll give it more of my time.

    i'm sure i'll get it right.

    i'll try turning down the sharpness and i'll turn off the dnr, see how that looks.
     
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    No need to be sorry, that's what the forum is here for ! My explanation might not be perfect because this is my thought on how it works. Someone else might disagree on some (all) things !

    When an LCD (Like the Philips) is fed a 576 (prog or interlace) signal, it's own internal scaler will scale it up to 768 which is the native resolution.

    The Denon and Samsung DVD players have their own internal upscalers made by Faroudja and are better than the scalers in the LCD TV to produce 720p and is fed to the TV via DVI or HDMI. The Philips displays this signal as it comes in so there is black bars at the top and bottom (24 each), but other TVs (Sharp) scale it up again to the Native for fullscreen.

    Can anyone agree or dispute my explanation ?!

    Richie.
     
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    I'd be interested to hear what you think of the TV after you've become familiar with the settings, as I'm going to buy one soon myself. As I said, I have had some experience with the 30pf9975 and liked the picture alot. It took me a bit of a while to find the settings I was happy with. I avoided DNR and active control altogether turned the sharpness right up, contrast around 70 and brightness around 30; I'll be trying similar settings when I get the 9986.

    As others have said on this forum, LCD takes some getting used to after CRT, as it shows up flaws which are invisible on the latter. For me, watching Freeview channels was a mixed bag, with everything on Channel 4, Channel 5, BBC 4, ITV1 consistantly very good and resulting in a nicely detailed picture on the 30pf9975, however some BBC 1 shows were noticeably poorer, almost as if they were being broadcast at a very low bit rate. Eastenders in particular always looked pixellated.
     
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    i'll report back after the weekend.

    i'll turn active control & dnr off and see if that helps.

    thanks
     
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    Chris, just keep trying things until you're happy.

    The sharpness control and the PP2 work in conjuction nicely. The PP2 doubles the pixel count regardless of sharpness. You then soften the picture to blend these extra pixels together, reducing pixellation, especially on poorer signals. Works a treat. However, on good signals this does have a tendency to overly smooth the picture. Just keep fiddling....

    Jimmy
     
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    jimsan could u help me,

    can u post your settings along with active control, dynamic control and dnr please.

    do u watch normal tv using pp2?

    sorry to be a pain but u seem to be really happy with your picuture.
     
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    Righty Ho...

    PP2 on all the time.
    Smart Picture - Personal:
    Contrast: 63 (This magic setting runs the backlight at it's lowest brightness but maintains good contrast.)
    Brightness: 50 - 60. (Find a really dark area on any picture and freeze it. Increase the brightness until this area starts to brighten, then back it off a couple or three notches)
    Colour: 50 - 75. Personal taste varied from programme to programme.
    Sharpness: 2 (This can be increased with really good signals - but I just leave it).
    Tint: Normal.
    Digital Options: PP2 on.
    Dynamic Contrast: Medium.
    DNR: Medium. (If your stuck with a crummy terrestrial feed you may want to run this at Maximum. A really good feed may allow you to knock it off entirely).
    Colour Enhancement: On

    Sound.
    Don't turn on the Loudness control.
    The 'Incredible Surround' isn't! I prefer Surround Mode Off

    After all this, if the signal is really crap then you'll be struggling....

    Other Points.
    You don't need silly expensive cables. Decent ones are fine.
    Progressive picture is not much different from good RGB through scart, but motion is much smoother. 576p with PP2 running is really very similar to 720p. (I am told)
    1080i is poor. (I am told).

    Hope this helps.

    Jimmy
     
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    many, many thanks for that.

    i have been watching tv tonight and the picture looks miles better than it did last night.

    i also put finding nemo on using a bog standard tosh dvd player (not pro scan) using rgb and the picture quality was excellent.

    i'm thinking of giving a dvi/hdmi player a miss and get a pioneer 575 pro scan player.

    thanks again for the trouble
     
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    So, Chris do you think the picture 'matures' over the first few days? I wondered if I was seeing things....

    Isn't Nemo awesome on this TV. The texture on the Sharks skin when they first meet Nemos Dad (can't remember his name) and Dora are beyond belief!

    I had my Boss, his fiance, his sister and her husband round a few days ago and the wanted a demo. I'm not kidding, they were litterally gasping at what they saw. Star Wars II (A.o.t.C) waterfall scene..unreal)

    Jimmy
     
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    yes, like u said its definately improved.

    i've made up my mind i;m gonna get the pioneer 575 pro scan player tomorrow and watch monsters inc (that usually looks awsome).

    anyway i love the tv and i definately made the right choice.

    1985.00 well spent

    thanks again for all your advice.

    cheers
     
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    thats a very good price.

    its 2500.00 in comet and 3000.00 in john lewis and currys.

    i paid 1985 from empire direct.
     
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    Don't you get a wallmounting bracket and table top stand supplied with all 329986's ?
     
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    Oh do you?? Wasn't sure, thought you had to buy them seperately. Does anyone know the cheapest price then for the Philips 329986??
     
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    yes, both come with the 32pf9986
     
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    £1912 is the cheapest I've seen (which was in the link couple of pics up).

    Anyone who has the TV could you post pictures? Would be much appeciated.
     
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    Check your prices by clicking the box next to the review at the top of the LCD Forum page.

    Picture attached. Wall mount and stand included. (Not the big one, that's a Kenmark!)

    Jimmy
     

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