Phillips 963SA due for release in Oct

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  1. jonny m

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    Just got off the phone from Helen at Hifibitz who phoned several people in Phillips until she found one who new a bit about the 963sa.

    Its due for release in Oct @ £399 inc vat.

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    Hmmm. Is the European version gonna have PS (NTSC & PAL) and SACD? Most people seem to think not.
     
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    Well its european manual manual seems to think so ->
    http://www.p4c.philips.com/mprdata/020731/0207310000_dfu.pdf

    its generally regarded as the way to get similar quality to the 962 but without paying 2 sets of import+shipping.

    could be wrong though as no-one knows for 100% but its looking at least 99% certain with the dcdi logos on the player and progressive scan mentioned twice on the front, once below the drive and also the progressive led, check the pdf and search for progressive for details

    j
     
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    Hmmm Confusing. The manual states

    "Select progressive when you have a TV that can accept progressive signals (480/525p) to enjoy accurate colour reproduction and high quality images"

    I thought 480 and 525p were NTSC progressive signals. Isn't PAL progressive something like 625p or similar?

    Someone please help here. Do I buy a 962SA now (full NTSC & PAL PS) or wait for the 963?

    Thanks.
     
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    Still in the Dark.

    Anyone have more info.. Will this player PAL prog scann>
     
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    Just had a look at the manual and I don't see anything that gives the impression that PAL prog scan will be supported out of the box. :(

    Which I suppose makes sense, after all PAL Prog Scan is an illegal standard imposed by the DVD Forum and Philips are not going to go against that.

    I suppose it remains to be seen if any enterprising chaps out there will be able to come up with a firmware hack or suchlike to enable PAL prog scan along with multiregion.....
     
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    962 is still the tempting option then.
     
  8. jonny m

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    I think it is generally reckoned (by the ones who make players multi region) it should be hackable like the 962 to enable pal prog scan.

    It is almost the same player as the 962 with the chips needed to enable pal prog.

    Hope so anyway:D
     
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    The 963 option is full of unknowns.

    1. When if ever will we see it, Philips told me it would be on sale by the end of July so you obviously can't trust the Oct date.

    2. Will the european version have PS and if so will it be hackable as the 962. They may block this in the new model due to the hacking of the 962.

    3. Even if it is hackable it's not a simple handset hack, but requires a exspensive programmable unversal remote (pronto is one I think).

    4. If it is NTSC PS then it is likely to be priced as a mid to high end player such as most of the other PS players.
    PS is regarded as a premium hi tech feature in the UK so why wouldn't Philips exsploit that fact. This is rip off britain after all.

    Campare this against the proven Hivizone 962 supplied with PAL and NTSC PS out of the box for something like £500 - £600.
    Compared to other UK offerings I think it's a bit of a bargain.

    Is the 963 really worth the wait and risk?


    Just a thought perhaps.


    Technophobe
     
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    Thanks technophobe. I've got a 962 on the way, should be here tomorrow or Thursday curteousy of the nice Mr Andy Trump.

    :D :D

    Neil
     
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    Guys

    The info was in no way regarded as don't purchase the 962, it was just for those who arn't willing to fork out £550 and who are hoping that the 963sa will come in at a reasonable price with pal prog scan included, and are waiting expectantly like myself.

    A few players around can do nstc prog scan ok and arn't too expensive, I picked up the sd510 for £250 but sent it back as I needed pal prog scan, these nstc only progressive dvd players use similar chipsets, the dcdi chipset dosn't cost $200 bucks over ntsc only chipset's, in fact it's probably down to the $10's of dollars of difference.

    The reason Denon,747,tag+arcam are so expensive as these players are already aimed at the high end of the market already, pal prog scan shouldn't add £600 onto the price. As they can't market that as a selling point they can't charge for it either!

    Well thats what Im hoping anyway! :D :D

    And yes it is a pain that phillips have missed so many dates with this, I wonder what the heck are they doing with it anyway, it looks like the 962 and likewise on paper, so whats the big delay :confused:


    j
     
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    BTW you wouldn't need an expensive remote to do any hacking.. A simple One-For-All 6 remote would do the trick or a PDA. I'm still eager to see what the 963sa can do though, even though I have a Philips Q50...
     
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    I thought to hack the q50/962 for multiregion +pal ps you needed the phillips maintenance remote, which can of course be copied by the pronto, great excuse to purchase one!

    j
     
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    Hardly mate ^_^ Thats just their spin to stop the code being "open". It can be done like any other remote hack using an One-For-All 6 remote or a PDA... I need a pronto myself, maybe the Neo version...
     
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    Having now got my 962SA I have noticed that PAL discs are being output as 525p not 625p. This begs me to ask two questions.

    1. Is the 962 therefore not outputting true PAL PS?
    2. As the 963 manual refers to 480p and 525p I am beginning to guess it will be the same as the 962 in the way it handles PAL PS.

    This could be good news for potential 963 owners don't you think?
     
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    pal progressive is apparently close to becoming legal (agreement with studios) could this be the reason for Philips' delay?
     
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    PAL-P should be recognised as 575P or 576P. I know a few people with the 962sa and this is the first time I've heard of it outputting 525P from a PAL disc.

    I posted the info below in the PAL-P radification thread as well...

    www.dvdlibrary.co.uk say that they have the 963sa instock as of a few days ago. I phoned them.
    http://www.dvdlibrary.co.uk/dvd_players.htm

    I sent them an email with the instructions on how to hack the 962sa for both PAL-P and multiregion. I requested their engineers to see if these same hacks were successful. I have not had a reply to this though.

    On their web-site, the player is incorrectly placed in the DVD-A+SACD section.

    Anybody want to order one and see what you get?
     
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    I finally received an email back from DVDLibrary. It seems the lady on the phone was wrong, they do not have them in stock and don't expect them this month.
     
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    Bummer since I'd to see how well it performs and its price point. Need a PAL prog.scan capable display device though since my Tosh can only take in NTSC prog.scan >_<
     
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    the 963 is now on the hivizone site with a price does not state pal progressive though
     
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    Thanks for posting that info.

    However, $659 +shipping + import duty + VAT is too much IMO. The suggested retail prices for the 963sa that I have seen in the past are well below this figure. The retail price should be cheaper than the what retail price of the 962sa.
    I would rather wait for the european version which will have scart and progessive component(hopefully both 480p and 576p).
     
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    I see hivizone states for the 963sa
    although like the 962 it only lists 480p and not 576p.
     
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    yes it does state that last night it said just said ntsc progressive
     
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    oh good that means the hack wasnt too difficult to find then:D
     
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    I'm about to order a 963SA from hivizone.

    However, reading WSquared's earlier post, is it certain that there will even be a European version and how long after the Asian version will we have to wait to see one ?

    Was there a European version of the 962SA released or did I miss it ?

    Final question, what can I do with a Scart output on the Euro version that I can't do with the various outputs on the Asian one given that I will be using a Panny AE100 and/or Toshiba RP with component input ?

    Hope someone can help.

    Canoehq
     
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    got an email from philips customer support today, saying that the DVD 953SA is due for release OCT/NOV 2002

    No details on progressive scan (NTSC or PAL), and I did ask.

    Isn't it supposed to be £400 retail? Which looks like around £329 online. Bit cheaper than $650 + + +.

    Of course, if you buy it now, then you can let us all know whether it does proper PAL progressive :)

    Having said that, its not a European machine, so it could be academic anyway :(
     
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    burp!

    Just to say, today I spoke to 2 different people at phillips and they both said that the 963sa was launched a month ago and will be available in about 2 weeks.

    They both said it will do pal progressive native resolution out the box ! :D

    The only other interesting info is that the Fli2301 thats in the 963 can do 480p/576p/720p/1080i, you never know.....

    John
     
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    Hi,
    I just ordered the 963sa for hivizone
    it should be in stock in HK next week
    I asked philips in australia and no-one knows if/when we will get it. the 962sa is available for $1200 AUD, but the stores will only order it in at 'it's a top end player, so we don't carry stock'
    so no demo before you buy.
    hivizone say it will output pal and ntsc progressive scan
    I can't wait.............
    larry
     
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    is this player a better one then the HK 25.

    Will it defo do PAL and NTSC progressive.

    What price should it be around approx.


    Thanks
     
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    i just rang philips and the lady says it does do Pal progressive as its this countries format. She had no idea on price at all and she's getting back to me with a release date today once she's rung head office.

    I might know a dealer that can get these but I need a price to begin with, does anyone know what these might go for..
     

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