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Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by clancol, Oct 9, 2003.

  1. clancol

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    what are the new philips projecters like.
    the astaire/deluxe lcd
    bogart DLp
    garbo lcd
    anyone seen or read a review on these nicly priced projecters.
    with fab lamp life.
     
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    I just saw these in a price list while seaching for something else .. the Bogart seems to have a pretty incredible spec, good contrast and lamp brightness .. I'm bemused no-one round here seems to give it a second's thought. :eek:

    Wonder if it's because it's not Japanese. ;)
     
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    I'm also surprised that there is no mention of Philips. I viewed a Monroe and was well impressed with the picture and would be interested to hear how it compares with the AE300.

    I am no expert but the AE300 appears to have a much higher all round spec for the cash.

    Anyone got any thoughts?
    :confused:
     
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    Thanks for the kind comments about our products.

    We are working to crack the UK projector market. If more of you guys ask your retailers for Philips projectors then we will be able to persuade them that there is life beyond the 'Best Buy' reviews.

    Regards
     
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    Chris,

    do you know if Philips have any plans to produce a 16:9 DLP Home Cinema projector in the future ?

    Regards, Jeff
     
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    Jeff, I haven't seen the road map for products beyond May '04, but I am confident that we will have 16:9 DLP in a few months time.

    Norr, any retailer with a direct Philips account can get hold of demo stock.

    The smaller independant dealers such as Laser Audio (Kilmarnock?), Glasgow Audio, Loud & Clear etc can go through a Philips distributor such as AWE, Multivision or Sahara.

    Regards
     
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    Chris,

    The Bogart looks like it has a very similar spec to the HT1000, although at a different (and beneficially so...) price point. Have you seen one of these in action ? what's you take on it ??


    Sean.
     
  9. Gary Lightfoot

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    The Bogart looks a steal for the money - but it doesn't seem to sport any form of image processing such as Faroudja for example.

    Probably ideal for htpc or maybe a progressive player. I'd be interested in seeing one of these too.

    Gary.

    EDIT: - Just noticed the "CrystalClear product sticker" as an accessory, so I assume that's the image processing. :)
     
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    norr, I guessed you missed this from my previous post...
    :)
     
  12. Chris Frost

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    I have a pre-production Bogart on evaluation at the moment.

    Holland tell me they have done a lot of work with the colour balance. It is the only projector available below £2.5K retail with a correct 5600K white point. This should improve greyscale tracking. Certainly the colour rendition I have seen so far is very very good. Reds and greens are particularly deep and vibrant.

    The other thing I am very suseptable to is colour wheel effect, so I was keen to see if the six speed 6 segment colour wheel would eliminate them. I played a couple of PAL films to try and provoke the reaction. The only time I got a hint of colour flash was when shaking my head. I think in normal viewing conditions there should be no problem with colour flash.

    Full production versions of the Bogart are available now. When I can get to the office I'll pick one up and give it a thorough run through.
     
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    Crystal Clear is Philips own video processing system. It comes from our high-end TV products.

    Regards
     
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    If it's half as good as the spec suggests, I can see these things flying of the shelves. The pricing isn't far off the current popular LCDs and like the X1, brings DLP to a bigger market.

    Does it have features for 16:9 similar to the NEC HT1000? Using it as a dedicated 16:9 machine makes it easier for those with a 16:9 screen for example.

    Gary.
     
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    Gary, yes it can work like a dedicated 16:9 machine.

    There are 6 aspect ratio choices including one to fit a proper undistorted 4:3 image inside your 16:9 screen and a Letterbox Subtitles mode.

    Regards
     
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    Chris,

    Two questions...

    1) Is there a "cinema" mode? - the 34dB noise and 2000hr lamp life specs aren't as appealing as the rest of the spec.

    2) Is it short, medium or long throw?

    Thanks,
    Joel
     
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    Joel,
    Yes, there is cinema mode. Lamp life is 2000 hours in cinema mode, 1500 at full power. The fan noise drops to 32dB.

    Regarding fan noise, the pitch of the sound is also very important. A mosquito doesn't make much noise, but the pitch is high so you notice it more.

    The fan on the Bogart Matchline is tuned to give a low frequency whoosh rather than a high pitch whine. Even running full power, you'll find the sound blends into the background so it almost disappears.

    Lens throw is medium to long.

    For wide angle/shortest throw distance, work on screen-width X 2.

    Telephoto/longest throw distance, work on screen-width X 2.4

    A 2mtr wide screen* will give a throw distance of between 4m and 4.8 mtrs depending where you set the zoom lens.

    For most peoples rooms this means we can get the projector at the back of the room on a shelf or bracket and recreate the effect of a cinema; projecting over the heads of the audience.


    * 2 mtrs wide is equivalent to a 16:9 diagonal of 2.29 mtrs, or a 4:3 diagonal of 2.5 mtrs


    Regards
     
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    Thanks Chris
     
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    Chris

    Can you verify what sort of colour wheel the projector has. I looked at the PDF of the brochure and it does not appear to make any mention of the colour wheel spec. Any ideas why Philips don't mention this in the brochure? Are there any more detailed specs available elsewhere, for example a downloadable user manual?

    This is important because it will give a good indication of rainbow potential.

    Cheers
    John
     
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    Erm...

    :)
     
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    Yes, I saw that, but wanted verification or pointing to a spec sheet that states this. It is an important feature, which is why I couldn't understand why it didn't feature on the brochure. Would you buy a DLP projector without absolutely knowing what sort of colour wheel it has? I wouldn't.

    Sorry to be pedantic. But these purchases aren't cheap.

    John
     
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    Saw one of these in show in a shop in Croydon. As soon as I got home I did a search and found this thread. The pj was being run through composite and in a well light shop so far from ideal viewing conditions/connections. The picture was amazing, Toy Story looked superb and so did daylight scenes from LOTRTT. I have seen some of the new PJs including the "budget" Sim one (Sharp, Themescene but not the Panasonic or Sanyo models)). The Bogart is the best I have seen so far. They were selling it for 1999. Agree with previous e-mail that the throw is more long than medium - you need soemdistance and a very dark environment.
     
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    What shop was this?

    I might go and have a look sometime. :)

    Gary.
     
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    i like the look of this projecter. but i don't think it will fit.
    i have a 1.80m width 16-9 screen. and a maximum throw of about 3.3 meters. am i right in thinking that it wont work?
     
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    Chris, which direction does the projector exhaust to and how close can the unit be placed to a rear wall?

    PS Can anybody point me to any reviews (magazine or personal)
     
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    BBD,
    The air vents are on the sides which will make mounting the projector closer to the rear wall a bit easier. The rear panel has the connection sockets, so you will need to leave some room at the back for cables.

    clancol,
    a 3.3mtr throw distance will give a maximum screen width of 1.61mtrs wide.

    Regards
     
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    Gary
    It is on the first floor of the whitgift centre. I can't remember what the shop is called as it has just opened. It is near books etc (about 3/3 doors down. Look for lots of plasma/lcd screens.
     
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    Cheers asimm, I'll have a look when I'm there next week.

    Gary.
     
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    Chris, I haven't found any information about the Bogart on the Philips' website. Could you tell me why? However I've found the bCool XG1. It seems the Bogart is the little brother of the XG1 with the same construction, smaller ANSI lumen, smaller contrast and no M1-DA. Is there any other difference between of them?
     
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    I forgot to mention that I saw the Bogart in the Croydon shop, but unfortunately it wasn't in any condition for a review.

    The ambient light was washing out the image, and it was showing a concert of some sort, so the material was hard to judge colours or image quality. The pic didn't fill the screen either, so overall it wasn't anwhere near presenting itself favourably. :(

    Gary.
     

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