Philips OLED TV shootout at Abbey Road Studios - The Results!

craigd

Well-known Member
What did those that attended think of the motion handling of each TV? Were there obvious differences? Were each of the TVs set up with their respective motion processing features turned on?
 

megagold5

Active Member
What did those that attended think of the motion handling of each TV? Were there obvious differences? Were each of the TVs set up with their respective motion processing features turned on?
There was one specific motion panning clip that looked terrible on the Sony and LG but fine on the Panasonic and Philips. This was in the vivid mode tests, so with all the processing turned on.
 

GadgetObsessed

Well-known Member
What did those that attended think of the motion handling of each TV? Were there obvious differences? Were each of the TVs set up with their respective motion processing features turned on?
There was nothing we could learn about motion processing on any of the sets from this test.

In the calibrated test the motion processing was turned off and all sets looked very similar.

In the vivid mode test you would expect all sets to have their motion processing turned up to the maximum - so most likely to see motion issues. In one of the test scenes with very fast panning motion the picture on the LG and Sony broke up. However, this may easily have been fixed by turning down the motion settings on these sets - we did not get to find out. Also the scene had faster panning than you would ever see in real content.

Bear in mind that Philips were happy to show a clip that showed issues with the LG and Sony motion when in Vivid mode but would never have shown us a clip that showed any issues with the Philips motion.
 

Toon Army

Well-known Member
Why does it feel like every forum member present there was asked to write a nice sponsored message in the discussions? Did they all get a free oled?
I was there and we can only talk about what we observed. I was more than happy about the fairness of the demonstration. If the Sony was the prize and I'd won it, I would have given serious consideration to sticking it on eBay. I do like and own a number of their products, however on this occasion they were clearly last.
 

Ekko Star

Distinguished Member
What did those that attended think of the motion handling of each TV? Were there obvious differences? Were each of the TVs set up with their respective motion processing features turned on?
In the clips used Panasonic and Philips were the best in both Calibrated and Vivid mode.

The LG was breaking up in fast pans in Calibrated mode and couldn't handle Vivid. The Sony was fine in Calbrated mode but struggled in Vivid
 

ozzzy189

Distinguished Member
I was there and we can only talk about what we observed. I was more than happy about the fairness of the demonstration. If the Sony was the prize and I'd won it, I would have given serious consideration to sticking it on eBay. I do like and own a number of their products, however on this occasion they were clearly last.
Unless you watch the HDTV test video, then you'd be putting the Philips on ebay and buying a Sony
 

ozzzy189

Distinguished Member
Reviewers etc are not only influenced by the brand but they also receive incentives to say the right thing.
Its worth remembering that certain brands who give free testers will cease to give if recipients dont say the right thing.
I believe there's an old fashioned word for this.
Bribery.
I have always liked Vincent because he's honest and calls a spade a spade. He's a rarity in this world.
Aye, and no manufacturer gives him tellies, they're usually supplied by crampton and Moore
 

stevos

Distinguished Member
Was it 'come together' that they played? I wish I had filmed it, Beatles at abbey road with Steve Withers semi dancing :)
 

leonccyiu

Standard Member
I attended the event and was shocked at how low the score was for the Sony in the calibrated shootout. If there were twenty something of us and it got 4% of the votes, I must have contributed most of the 4%.

The first clip was the Philips demo in Italy which I had seen before at past events, at first I was standing at the back left of the room, later I would switch to the back right.

Since the Phillips clip was the first clip, it starts off with clear blue skies and scenes of the Italian Town, I was first drawn to set B which I noticed had a cooler colour temperature than the other 3 sets which made the other three sets look a bit washed out and duller, but then when the girl appeared, B looked inaccurate, her skin tones didn't look right. Since there were many colourful buildings in the demo clip, I felt set A was more saturated than the other 3 and as a result fine colour detail may have been crushed. Between set C and D, I felt I may have preferred set D because I was looking at it straight on and the viewing angles may have made some sets look less bright or affected colour temperature.

Clip 2 was the Samsung Prague demo, similar observations with the blue skies appearing more vivid on set B due to the cooler colour temperature. I was too far to properly judge resolution but I assume they all performed similarly.

Clip 3 was the fast panning scene which I put no preference because 'garbage in garbage out'.

I can't remember the exact order, but the next clips were life of pi which was close although there might have been less highlight clipping with set c, orange is the new black where all 4 sets took different approaches to their presentation, my preference was to the Sony.

With the clip from the revenant, I can't remember if my observations were the same as in vivid mode where set c had the best shadow detail, set A or B had better contrast and brightness.

For brooklyn 99, and bang goes the theory, I sided with the Sony with a very slim margin, sitcom content doesn't stress the TV.

There was also hdr clips of 2001 a space odyssey and planet earth, there were more variances in the hdr clips as the manufacturers take different approaches as in Sony clips highlights for a brighter overall image but the LG tries to squeeze everything in. Again I noticed the LG had a noticeably cooler colour temperature when looking at the blue skies on planet earth, for that reason I chose set A, I can't remember why I didn't choose set D.

There was also a clip of mad max where the motion was too intense at the beginning to judge but then a man gets up from the sand.

I can't remember what other clips there were, surprisingly my observations held on second viewing, set C never stood out to me, but I felt set D looked the nicest with neutral accurate colours.

Looking at the calibrated results, ignoring no preference, set B the LG was first and set A the Panasonic was second.

My guess is because the cooler colour temperature of set B made it look more vivid, brighter and alive, and the more saturated colours of Set A made it look richer.

This goes to show why manufacturers use vivid mode in the show room, cooler more saturated colours stand out as well as higher brightness when competing next to each other. Although we all think we want accurate and reference, our eyes naturally gravitate towards a cooler more saturated picture.

As for the fast panning sequence in vivid mode, the LG and Sony exhibited tearing artefacts, however I asked Danny Tack if the clip was 24 or 30fps which he said it was 24fps. Most 24fps content is scripted and staged where the directors are well aware of the limitations of 24p and try and control their pans and limit the occurrence of judder. You're not going to get such fast pans in real world content. Broadcast TV is in 50 or 60i which is often interpolated to 50 or 60p and faster shutter speeds are used.

In vivid mode I selected set A more of the time but I didn't pay as much attention to set C as I could have, set D was fine it just didn't stand out.

Despite my preference for set D in calibrated mode, I realise the Sony is a lot more expensive and you would need a professional calibrator, if you were not looking at all the sets at once they were all great when calibrated.
 

boksbox

Active Member
As an outsider with very limited knowledge, I would side with the unsponsored HDTVTest shootout over the sponsored Philips one. Not disregarding the credibility of Philips shootout and not saying VT is the best out there but going by the in-depth analysis and reasons given, the HDTVTest shootout looks and sounds more sensible to me. YMMV. :)

I really hope this thread doesn't get locked.
I’ve been to several of Philips and HDTV Test shootouts, the latter is an all day affair so would expect it to be more comprehensive.
Philips put their TVs up against the competition, obviously they hope to win but could go against them. As it turns out most of my votes went to the Panasonic, I have an LG Oled but if I was buying now then any of the panels at the event would suffice but I do like Ambilight and now that Philips support Dolby Vision that would probably sway me (I’m not a gamer so the advance gaming features are if no interest).
Looking back at my scores I only seemed to score the Sony on no overall preference, I can’t explain why as it’s a subjective opinion but expected to see marginal differences in the scores but the Sony score was derisory.
To those who cry foul at these events I’d say try one yourself, when you get 30-40 people offering opinions you’ll get as many variations.
 

Pogg

Well-known Member
I imagined something completely different based on the title “Shootout Event”. It’s probably my fault for watching too much porn. That’s what The Wife tells me anyway.

The score most relevant to me is Filmaker mode.

Sony completely failed. Was it on the latest firmware?
 

giggsy1950

Active Member
I might have missed it but did any of the clips have SD or HD material so the upscaling of the sets could be judged? I don't have a 4K subscription just yet so how the screen handles SD (and more so HD) would be an important consideration for myself and likely many others. Ta.
 

Paradise Found

Standard Member
I might have missed it but did any of the clips have SD or HD material so the upscaling of the sets could be judged? I don't have a 4K subscription just yet so how the screen handles SD (and more so HD) would be an important consideration for myself and likely many others. Ta.
I'd love to know this too please - I'm tempted by the Phillips, as long as it can handle
upscaling SkyHD as well as the Panasonic...
 

crabby09

Active Member
Really appreciate all the feedback and details surrounding this event!

Has really got me thinking about my next screen - I'm a Panasonic fan so it's nice to see it still does well, but the value proposition offered by Philips is really making me second guess myself!
 

punkymunky

Active Member
Vivid mode? Am I missing something here? So set A & B were preferred when set to a recognised mode that everyone on this forum would use but set C "wins" if you add in a mode that no one in their right mind would use day to day? So the LG and Pana are the better TVs?
So all we can conclude from this shootout is that Phillips 'shop mode' is not turned up to 11.
 

Solidmedia

Active Member
Suggest the sceptics watch the video and in particular Phil and Steve's comments at the end.
Watched the video and they seem to agree with the majority of comments here. If a screen is calibrated then there is very little difference between them so it comes down to features. I love the amblight on the Philips screen but this was barely mentioned, LG wins in terms of gaming and Pana and Sony in terms of motion and upscaling. Given that all four TVs all use the same LG display panel it's no surprise. I'd love to see an AVForum shootout between the flagship screen of each manufacturer regardless of display technology, now that would be interesting.
 

crabby09

Active Member
I'd love to see an AVForum shootout between the flagship screen of each manufacturer regardless of display technology, now that would be interesting.

That would be awesome! I believe thee reason toted previously as to why it's difficult is that the AVForums team don't keep hold of the sets and so they never have all the contenders at the same place at the same time. My guess is that there's likely a tonne of contractual clauses that a true head to head would break which Philips get around by simply purchasing the tellies?
 

fluxedman

Well-known Member
Nice shoot out, I do like Philips overall as a company and they make great reliable products, but they are releasing 706 and 936 only now?, realistically it would still take a good few weeks if not months for reviewers, owners, stores and businesses to be Philips savvy and stock good.

And then LG & Sony release there 2022 OLED TV entire line up....while Philips just released their 2021 Line up.

Its all about the timing imo, got to get the basics right otherwise you can't get to the next level.
 

Pogg

Well-known Member
rows 2, 3 and 4 look too far away from the TV’s hence NO PREFERENCE is so popular a result.
 
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