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Philips new DVD recorder with freeview, HDMI, guideplus

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by laser, Mar 15, 2005.

  1. laser

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    We'll have to wait and see but this could be the first time in two years that Philips have offered a DVD recorder with specs that make it worth buying. That said the core problems of their range:
    - no time base corrector
    - lack of editing
    - no multi-format support
    - suspect reliability
    - poor user interface
    ...are unlikely to change. The Sony range on the other hand will offer Freeview, HDMI and more with an established pedigree. Still time will tell...

    The list goes on and on. By the time this model appears Sony will be offering HDMI equipped Freeview DVD recorders (with and without HDDs) so I would suggest avoiding the Philips. Unless your constrained by budget.
     
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    Well, I would think that most of those drawbacks fall in to second place when set alongside 5.1 audio and +R DL recording. Since Freeview and HDMI are also on board, we'll see how the comparative "established pedigree" of Sony fares. Their recorders hardly have true multiformat support either.

    Looking forward to your objective review when you get one.
     
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    ...the Sony models will offer DVD+R DL recording (as will many DVD recorders this year). The 5.1 recording is of interest to some though - however given the limited channels with 5.1 output and the nature of programmes they show (i.e. ones available on DVD with better PQ and sound) it is hardly a major achievement. I doubt Philips have invested as heavily as Sony in developing a internal 2pass encoding as found on their GXD500...
     
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    And this is based on ?

    I should add that I have this Sony.
     
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    Some might say the ability to record to DL obviates the need for a re-encoder at all. Let's hope that with the same facility on other machines, it may be the factor which pushes the price of those blanks down to a more reasonable level.

    I'm surprised you think 5.1 recording isn't an achievement, nevertheless. My impression was that many individuals were keen to have this on a standalone machine. 'Limited' channels, but a lot of people have them.

    Much remains to be seen, I agree, particularly with the UI, separation of features, and of course reliability.
     
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    The fact that only Sony has invested large sums of money in the development and integration of Freeview into their products. The other Japanese giants and Philips aren't even close to their level of investment/development into UK DVB yet. And JVC is the only other company working on 2pass encoding for DVD recorders as of yet. Do some research Ivan and you will find this isn't even in debate.

    I didn't say it wasn't an achievement - I just said it has limited use.

    Who was talking about re-encoding? I was talking about encoding - the Sony GXD500 uses an all digital, 2pass encoding system when recording Freeview channels - hence the superb picture in all full resolution modes.
     
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    I hate to keep re-quoting, but you did say above that "it is hardly a major achievement".

    Seeing as Freeview is already encoded at roughly M2 quality, then any further encoding is surely "re-encoding"? How can it surpass the quality of the original signal?
     
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    Sorry to interrup but how about the big Philips issue of poor reliability?
    There are lots of postings complaining about earlier and current models.
    Presumbably Philips will bring out a Hard Disc model soon?
     
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    I think we all know we'll have to wait and see about reliability.

    Apart from their current HDD models, there's another 3 due at some stage, I believe, and there may be a HHD in there somewhere...
     
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    Hello RASCZAK.
    Do you know which recorders are going to have DL recording included please?
    Will it only be the top end HD machines? Or will the base models (Panasonic, Sony, Toshiba, etc) include it?
    Thanks in advance, again!
     
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    So far the only confirmation we have is:

    LG - all models 516/517/518
    Panasonic - upper end models only
    Sony - mid/upper end models only

    Toshiba has only announced plans to support DVD-DL and this will probably be another year coming before it arrives on their set-tops.
     
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    Hmm. Thanks for that.
    I might try an LG, if they include RGB in or s-vid in at the back of the machine.
     
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    The new machines do have RGB input - and in addition offer Super Multi-format recording: DVD-RW/-R/-RAM/+RW/+R/+R DL.
     
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    That sounds good!
    I did try an LG4910 a while back and I thought it was very good, except for the omission of RGB/S-VIDEO.
    I seem to have got into the expensive habit of upgrading every time a new model comes out and want to stop, but this one is looking good, oh dear!
     
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    ...and then 2006 will probably see our first BluRay recorder! That will be a must have :D
     
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    Absolutely!
    But there will be plenty of decent "filler material" to play about with while we're waiting ( worst luck for the wallet! :rolleyes: )
     
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    Philips has an HDD unit in the state now.
     

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