PHILIPS DVP 9000S DVD/SACD player

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  1. ricardomourinho

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    That would be the long awaited 900sa with a new name. It's supposed to be the successor of the 963.
     
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    This has been a "ghost" product since October last year. I'd be surprised if it would actually materialise ;)
     
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    It's playing in my house rigth now - and playing very nice at that :)

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    Reviewed in this months Home Cinema Choice too.
     
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    What was the verdict ?

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    Hiya

    What was the verdict? The price seems to have increased a bit. RGB have them in stock at 359.99

    Can anyone review this product? I like the look of it but i'd like to know who makes the deinterlacer/scaler

    any ideas?

    Rob
     
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    Please post your settings (576p or 1080i, color, brightness, etc..)
    Thanks
     
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    9000s hdmi -> NEX 42VR5 DVI

    1080i, CDCI off natural +1, everything else default values.

    Great PQ!

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    Sorry, just want to confirm..
    DCDi off? Why?
    Natural+1.. care to explain..
    Once again.. thanks
     
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    By the way.. do you know how to "multiregion"?
     
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    Mine was multi on delivery - sorry!

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    HI all

    Well, received today. PQ absolutely outstanding at 720p. Nice sound from CD but not in same league as Arcam, even denon 2910! Wonderful for the money though

    great PQ
     
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    @ rdt123 where did you get the player from and was it regionfree. If not do you know how to do this please.

    Regards Tulloch
     
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    I read in a thread "over the pond" that the Philips 9000SA is a clone of the Yamaha S2500, but without DVD Audio and uses the Faroudja FLI2310 chip... hopefully, that's a good thing!

    I ordered one of these today - I'm hoping that image quality will be a mixture of Panny 97 and Philips 963 with audio at least on a par with the 963. Can't wait to get my hands on it :devil:
     
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    @Mark Haywood can you give me a report when you get it please. Looking for a good allrounder with films and CD @ the right price yeh :thumbsup:

    Regards Tulloch
     
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    I don't know if the player is good or bad but I love that Philips styling with the round display on the left.
     
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    'course I will mate :smashin:

    And there was me thinking I had a ready buyer for my Panny 97 :D
     
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    It's got to be good... I just paid £212.50 for one :lease:
     
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    @Mark Haywood. You still might at the right price ;)

    Regards Tulloch
     
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    From where price as gone up @ Pixmania :(


    Regards Tulloch
     
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    :)

    As long as the new Philips is as good as I'm hoping it to be I'll start up a thread in the hardware for sale forum and give you first dibs on the Panny... unless you find one at the right price in the meantime. ;)

    Cheers mate,

    Mark

    Sorry Tulloch, missed your post there - were you asking where I'd got mine from?
     
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    Cheers :thumbsup: Some guy @ www.avsforum.com sent his back and was not happy with the pic he was getting :confused: And on there site it tells you how to regionfree it with it's remote to :thumbsup:

    Regards Tulloch
     
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    I cant explain it but it is what looked best to me on the particular screen.

    The numer of combination of settings when combining this plasma with this dvd player is just silly. These wher my initial settings after playing around for a while.

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    @ ricardomourinho


    Multiregion hack:
    -Turn on the player without any disc in it.
    -Press the Play button on the player itself.
    -Push slowly 1-5-9 on the original remote.
    -The display on the player should then show "------------"
    -Push 222 222 005 255 on the remote.
    -Push Play on the remote.


    To get firmware version:
    -Open the disc tray
    -Push Disk Menu
     
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    Can some one put a link to review?
     
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    any user opinions of this dvd player yet?????????
     
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    I found a review from www.review33.com, and here is the extract :-

    >>> Begin of Extract >>>

    Component output of DVP9000SA performs very well, but not as good as the HDMI output.
    There are some "strange" pixel cropping on the component output but not the HDMI output.

    DSD upsampling is a strength of the player, IMHO. You can switch it on/off via remote and hear the difference for yourself - it's all too obvious (if you can't hear it, you may wish to have a doctor to check out your ears for hearing loss ... we, middle-aged, all have a little bit). I like DSD upsampling a lot, but whether you like it or not is a matter of personal preference ... some people don't like noise shaping.

    All in all, I find DVP9000SA to be a major upgrade from the 963 in every aspect. Most of 963's shortcomings (like excessive pixel cropping, video output too dark) are gone though some still exist. The strength of the player lies in its video processing capabilities, HDMI output and DSD upsampling. I would rank it as B+ overall given the following minor issues:-

    - cellos sound a bit like viola (but way better and fuller than the 963)
    - sloooow initial disc loading
    - video output level too bright (both component and HDMI, you'll have to turn the TV's contrast down)
    - pixel cropping on component output
    - a little macro-blocking video artifact with LCD displays
    - no digital output for SACD on HDMI (or i-link)

    Below is a more detailed summary of my experience with the player.

    :)

    *******************************************************************
    Design and Look

    Appearance and finish is definitely first rate. The player's design is very "non-Philips".
    The chassis is slim with a very high WAF (Wife Acceptance Factor) and the blue display is very sexy.
    But the edges are a little sharper than I would have like, though not to the point of easy injury like older Krells/Marks.

    The remote (universal of Philips receiver, TV and recorder), is a new design.
    It's slim and feels good to hold but a little heavy.
    I missed the streamline shape and glowing buttons of 963's.
    If triangular/rectangular/... shaped buttons were used for the play, stop, ... pause, forward, backward buttons and has backlighting, it would be perfect.

    The system menu is a hair more difficult to navigate than the 963's.
    I still prefer Pioneer's and Panasonic's.
    User-friendliness has never been Philips' strength.

    Also, got minor electrical shocks by the component outputs of 9000SA even in standby as the player is not grounded.
    9000SA is using a DVD ROM drive which I was told was responsible for the slow initial disc loading.

    *******************************************************************
    Audio Performance

    Analog output

    The 9000SA performs admirably on direct comparison vs. the 963.
    It measures exactly at 2V which should give it a very slight advantage over 963's 1.95V output.
    For the first 10 minutes or so, I really couldn't tell any sonic difference.
    Upon more run-in and auditioning, it becomes apparent that 9000SA has better (more microdynamics) and fuller, tighter bass.
    On the soundstaging aspect, 9000SA is more expansive.
    Cello still sounds a little like Viola through the 9000SA but it's a marked improvement over the 963.
    Enabling DSD upsampling doesn't help much in this regard, but it does open up the soundstage further; reveals more details; and cleans up the sound.
    9000SA is subjectively smoother than 963 on the mid/high with or wityhout upsampling, and has more flesh and texture in male/female vocals.

    On the whole, 9000SA is more exciting and lively; 963 is more polite.
    Tonal balance of 9000SA remains neutral.

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    Digital output

    Digital output from 9000SA is as good as it can be.
    Cellos sound like cellos; so the culprit is the DA conversion process/analog output stage.
    A linear PSU mod would probably cure this deficiency on 9000SA's analog output.
    More run-in may also help a bit.

    However, the digital outputs of 9000SA are a little noisy (dee-dee sound when communicating with some DACs/AV amps).

    *******************************************************************
    Video Performance

    For some unknown reason, my Barco Cine 7 could not lock onto 1080i RGB from the DVI-VGA converter (see Buzz's article on "Forbidden drug for CRTs").
    So, I could only test it at 720p RGB. I've also tested 9000SA's component output on 480p.
    Finally, I've tested it on a Philips 17" 170B5CB LCD monitor via VGA and DVI (I have a HDCP-stripping DVI distribution amp DD-D12P as well), and a 32" Philips PP2 LCDTV via HDMI.

    All in all, excellent picture via HDMI output - sharp, detailed, vivid colored, ... "Appleseed" looks absolutely beautiful even with the redundant D-A-D conversion into the 17" LCD monitor via VGA!
    Resolution is excellent - all the way beyond 500 lines.
    The 6.75MHz pattern is clean and clearly visible (963's is blurred).
    There's no ringing, and only a minimal amount of moire with TrueLife set to 0-2.
    Color is vivid and there's also very little video noise.
    The picture however, looks a little too bright even with Brightness/Contrast/Gamma control of the player turned all the way down to -7.
    Initially, I suspect the DVI-VGA converter to be the culprit but I was wrong.
    9000SA's component output is also too bright.
    Anyway, the displays' picture controls take care of this.

    On the Barco, there is no macroblocking - just a smooth picture - but still lacking the HD feel of PP2 processing.
    On the 170B5CB, I do see macroblocking when say, watching the scenery clip on the Philips PP2 demo disc (e.g. background of the close-up shots on flowers).
    The same artifact is apparent on the 32" PP2 LCDTV. The fairly uniform light blue color of water in "Coral Reef" looks a bit blocky; so is the diver's face.
    Macroblocking is display dependent.

    Jaggies are basically non-existent, especially on video-based materials (say, Santana Super Natural).
    Only the Boo's Door Game in Monster Inc. managed to trip the Faroudja chip - I don't think the Realta HQV chip could do any better.
    Pixel cropping is minimal on the HDMI output - L 1, R 0, T 0, B 2 - a huge improvement over 963 already.
    However, I do notice a fair amount of pixel cropping on the component output.
    There are only 2 pixels cropped from the bottom, but 7 pixels on each side of L/R.
    The funny thing is that by adjusting the player's "Video Shift", I can move all the 14 pixel cropping to either side.
    I hope Philips is not doing this purely for sake of retaining this "Video Shift" feature ... you know what I mean.

    There is also some video jitter when playing the "Sakura" DVD I bough from Japan.
    The petals are sparkling at many of the distant shots.

    9000SA is very picky on DVD+/-Rs. I could only play 2 of my DVD-Rs on it.
    Disc reading is very slow, though still tolerable.
    I didn't test the composite and s-video outputs cos they're useless these days.

    To sum up, I have no major complaint vs. the audio/video performance of 9000SA, only some minor quirks here and there.

    End.

    <<< End of Extract <<<
     
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    same pickiness by yamaha s2500..went back!
     

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