Philips 803 (65OLED803) Review & Comments

Discussion in 'Philips TVs Forum' started by Phil Hinton, Oct 28, 2018.


    1. Phil Hinton

      Phil Hinton
      Editor Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jan 18, 2001
      Messages:
      10,291
      Products Owned:
      3
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      AVForums
      Ratings:
      +8,586
      • Thanks Thanks x 7
      • Like Like x 3
      • List
    2. crabby09

      crabby09
      Active Member

      Joined:
      Jan 20, 2010
      Messages:
      455
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      43
      Ratings:
      +175
      So... As a screen it's great... As a telly it's a bit pap... Not a terrible situation for those who use external sources exclusively!
       
    3. DELUCAS

      DELUCAS
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Feb 11, 2004
      Messages:
      4,622
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      136
      Location:
      KENT
      Ratings:
      +850
      What do you do when the rear ambilight led fail ?
      Cart the whole set off for them to be replaced and hope your 65inch dont come back damaged .
       
    4. jaxione

      jaxione
      Active Member

      Joined:
      Jan 12, 2015
      Messages:
      706
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      63
      Location:
      Sweden
      Ratings:
      +310
      Great review!

      Shame about the input lag, how much will it affect a casual console gamer?

      Br J
       
    5. kahlua

      kahlua
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Nov 16, 2014
      Messages:
      1,739
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      116
      Location:
      n.ireland
      Ratings:
      +1,030
      great review phil,sounds like great picture quality but why pay £200 more than the 65 c8 at current prices.
       
    6. SonOfSJ

      SonOfSJ
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Jul 8, 2012
      Messages:
      2,183
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      116
      Location:
      Edinburgh
      Ratings:
      +1,047
      @Phil Hinton Mr Hinton, I know that I need new glasses, but I can't seem to see a price for this Philips OLED anywhere in the review?
       
    7. GadgetObsessed

      GadgetObsessed
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Jul 6, 2001
      Messages:
      2,397
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      1
      Trophy Points:
      116
      Ratings:
      +1,102
    8. Phil Hinton

      Phil Hinton
      Editor Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jan 18, 2001
      Messages:
      10,291
      Products Owned:
      3
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      AVForums
      Ratings:
      +8,586
      It's confirmed as a 2018 OLED panel.
       
    9. Phil Hinton

      Phil Hinton
      Editor Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jan 18, 2001
      Messages:
      10,291
      Products Owned:
      3
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      AVForums
      Ratings:
      +8,586
      Up to the end user of course as to where they place value. But it should be a consideration to those looking at a 2018 OLED.
       
    10. TruroSpurs

      TruroSpurs
      Novice Member

      Joined:
      Sep 14, 2018
      Messages:
      4
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      1
      Location:
      Truro
      Ratings:
      +0

      Believe they are going for £2999 which considering no Freeview Play, ITV Hub, All4 and My5, poor input lag means not the screen for me. And as reported above its £200 more than the LG 65C8 and Pana 65FZ802
       
    11. Phil Hinton

      Phil Hinton
      Editor Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jan 18, 2001
      Messages:
      10,291
      Products Owned:
      3
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      AVForums
      Ratings:
      +8,586
      Best way to check would be to find a friendly dealer who can demo and let you test it out. I think Richer Sounds should have these and they are very accommodating in my experience to demos.
      I didn't have any issues, but I'm a terrible gamer.
       
    12. Phil Hinton

      Phil Hinton
      Editor Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jan 18, 2001
      Messages:
      10,291
      Products Owned:
      3
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      AVForums
      Ratings:
      +8,586
      The SRP is £2999.00
       
    13. evgenyanebril

      evgenyanebril
      Standard Member

      Joined:
      Aug 9, 2018
      Messages:
      30
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      11
      Location:
      Russia
      Ratings:
      +3
      Thank you for the review.
      Do you think input lag is really that crucial for single player games with a controller? The frame time shoud be around 33 for 30fps games, surely 38ms cant be that terribly noticable?
      Also have you tried playing games with Perfect Natural Motion enabled?
       
    14. romanv

      romanv
      Active Member

      Joined:
      Aug 26, 2018
      Messages:
      60
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      11
      Location:
      Slovenia
      Ratings:
      +23
      So Oreo will be a great game-changer or a huge disappointment. Keep in mind that the right software runs great on underpowered CPUs. Let’s wait and see.
       
    15. romanv

      romanv
      Active Member

      Joined:
      Aug 26, 2018
      Messages:
      60
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      11
      Location:
      Slovenia
      Ratings:
      +23
      Maybe I am wrong but the lag means that it needs 38ms between your controller command and actual movement on the screen. It has nothing to do with frequency so a calculation like 1/38ms is useless. Humans use controllers based on the visual input - the picture on TV. So actions are delayed.
       
    16. Phil Hinton

      Phil Hinton
      Editor Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jan 18, 2001
      Messages:
      10,291
      Products Owned:
      3
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      AVForums
      Ratings:
      +8,586
      Well, I have Oreo on the AF9 I am reviewing at the moment and it is far superior to the AF8 and 803, but it also has a better chipset so hard to tell if it would be as big an improvement on the Philips. They are sending me a 903 for review and I'll be doing some longer-term testing with that sample, so hoping to fully test Oreo as soon as it is available as the 803 and 903 are identical apart from the soundbar.
       
    17. Phil Hinton

      Phil Hinton
      Editor Staff Member

      Joined:
      Jan 18, 2001
      Messages:
      10,291
      Products Owned:
      3
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      AVForums
      Ratings:
      +8,586
      I would normally say that under 40ms is desirable on any TV. I, however, don't want to say it'll be fine for you as you really need to test it personally. I didn't try it with any processing switched on, the idea is to have the least amount going on for the best input lag. HTHs
       
    18. chaparral

      chaparral
      Active Member

      Joined:
      Apr 8, 2006
      Messages:
      1,801
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      66
      Location:
      Planet Earth
      Ratings:
      +194
      Only 2 full HDMI ports...:thumbsdow:thumbsdow:thumbsdow
       
    19. Quaddy

      Quaddy
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Mar 29, 2008
      Messages:
      1,876
      Products Owned:
      1
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      86
      Ratings:
      +297
      i'd pay the £200 for the ambilight feature alone, spent about that manually adding it onto a sharp 80" - couldn't live without it!

       
    20. evgenyanebril

      evgenyanebril
      Standard Member

      Joined:
      Aug 9, 2018
      Messages:
      30
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      11
      Location:
      Russia
      Ratings:
      +3
      I see. Thank you.
      The thing is in many tests of the P5 processing i have seen that people can play with Natural Motion with lag of 55ms (when other TV's can go way over 100), but it does great job at smoothing those 30 fps so i thought it might be worthy to test and point out :p

      Those number do correlate a bit. How many frames or fractions of a frames passes before you see the input actually happens.
      With 60 or more FPS i would say 38 ms is very huge, i am not so sure about 30.
       
    21. GadgetObsessed

      GadgetObsessed
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Jul 6, 2001
      Messages:
      2,397
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      1
      Trophy Points:
      116
      Ratings:
      +1,102
      Thanks for that.

      I wonder what panel was in the Philips 803 reviewed in France then?
      With the small blue sub-pixel shown in the photo it clearly isn't a standard 2018, or a 2017 panel.
      Perhaps this is simply a mid-year revision to the 2018 panel.

      I cannot see any reason why LG would ever want to reduce the size of a sub-pixel. Even if they did get a much more efficient blue emitter, wouldn't it be better to drive the same size sub-pixel less hard than have a smaller sub-pixel and drive it harder? (Especially as blue lifespan was the issue that resulted in LG increasing the size of that sub-pixel in the 2017 panel.)
       
    22. Dennis fleetwood

      Dennis fleetwood
      Standard Member

      Joined:
      Sep 16, 2018
      Messages:
      9
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      3
      Location:
      Netherlands
      Ratings:
      +3
      Another neat capability of the 803 is its integration of philips hue light with ambilight. Great review. It said it all...
       
    23. Goldorak

      Goldorak
      Distinguished Member

      Joined:
      Jul 30, 2011
      Messages:
      5,495
      Products Owned:
      1
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      166
      Location:
      Kent uk
      Ratings:
      +4,402
      @Phil Hinton thank you for a really superb review and I mean every word.

      You confirmed what I was suspecting, there is a raw diamond there. Beside some annoying shortfalls (2 hdmi full fat and input lag,..), biggest one for me is OS and hdr for key apps...
      So an improved overall experience and features via Oreo is a must (with current soc)

      I will also say that we are watching Philips TP vision move this year and next. Thats their last chance to get it right or be completely forgotten. If they pull it out, they will be a force to reckon with.

      LG needed several iteration and Sony just about finally got it with af9 (dv still need to be sorted). Philips can have the same latitude...time will tell.
       
      • Thanks Thanks x 1
      • Agree Agree x 1
      • List
      Last edited: Oct 30, 2018
    24. Mrwonderful

      Mrwonderful
      Standard Member

      Joined:
      Jan 20, 2018
      Messages:
      13
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      6
      Location:
      Netherton
      Ratings:
      +17
      I find it odd that Phillips will update the Android OS to version 8 when version 9 was released in August 2018.............on a TV with a suggested retail price of £2999.00 seems a little mean to me :-(
       
    25. desinho

      desinho
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Sep 22, 2014
      Messages:
      1,131
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      83
      Ratings:
      +251
      The blue is smaller but the red is bigger. The French review is not the only one that showed the pixel structure so it definitely is in all the 803/903 sets ...
      I have never seen a pixel structure posted in an AVF review so they probably just checked with Philips rather than inspecting it.

      I guess there is Android TV Pie already but I've read it still takes a lot of customization (and testing) to implement each brands own features
       
      Last edited: Oct 28, 2018
    26. GadgetObsessed

      GadgetObsessed
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Jul 6, 2001
      Messages:
      2,397
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      1
      Trophy Points:
      116
      Ratings:
      +1,102
      The red pixel was increased in size in the 2018 panels. This new 2019 or revised 2018 panel retains the large red sub-pixel but shrinks the size of the blue sub-pixel.

      2017 LG OLED Panels - large Blue and White sub-pixels and smaller Green and Red sub-pixels.
      2018 LG OLED Panels - LG increased the size of the Red sub-pixel - so that the panels had large Blue, White and Red sub-pixels and a smaller Green subpixel.
      2019 LG OLED Panel?? - this new panel now has a smaller Blue pixel. So overall it has large White and Red sub-pixels and smaller Green and Blue subpixels.
       
    27. big boss

      big boss
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Feb 15, 2009
      Messages:
      1,266
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      1
      Trophy Points:
      86
      Ratings:
      +370
      Great review, thanks! For me, all I need is a screen and ambilight. My living room has Philips Hue lights which can sync with the TV's ambilight to create a dramatic effect. Now just waiting for the price to fall.
       
      • Agree Agree x 2
      • Thanks Thanks x 1
      • Useful Useful x 1
      • List
    28. desinho

      desinho
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Sep 22, 2014
      Messages:
      1,131
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      83
      Ratings:
      +251
      So you are going to tell me this red looks just as big as the exisitng 2018?

      [​IMG]

      [​IMG]

      Funnily enough the 55" 803 in the other (early August vs French October) review uses the early 2018 panel:

      [​IMG]

      And the new one from the 65" 903 review (maybe the white one is smaller, making the red look bigger. Or the red has increased slightly but the white shrunken at the same time):

      [​IMG]
       
      Last edited: Oct 28, 2018
    29. GadgetObsessed

      GadgetObsessed
      Well-known Member

      Joined:
      Jul 6, 2001
      Messages:
      2,397
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      1
      Trophy Points:
      116
      Ratings:
      +1,102
      Thanks for that. Scaling them to the same height the new red sub-pixel looks about 30% wider than the one on the 2018 panel. However, it is difficult to tell because there may be some blooming around the more brightly red lit sub pixel.

      The blue sub pixel has changed size very significantly.

      We keep talking about 2017 or 2018 panels. However, perhaps changes to panels do not simply correspond to LG TV releases e.g. the 7 range in 2017 and the 8 range in 2018.

      Perhaps panels continually evolve throughout the year and what we are seeing is simply the latest panel version. That could mean that any TVs from any manufacturer that use panels that are manufactured now, will get this revised panel.

      Alternatively Philips have specified a specific panel design but that seems unlikely to me.

      WOuld be interesting to know what drives these changes e.g. red increases to increase red life span - blue decreases because they have a better emitter.
       
    30. Darksaberx

      Darksaberx
      Active Member

      Joined:
      Jun 23, 2011
      Messages:
      82
      Products Owned:
      0
      Products Wanted:
      0
      Trophy Points:
      8
      Ratings:
      +11
      Hi,

      I have a Sony TV in my living room and a Philips TV in my bedroom. One has a 30s input lag and the other has a 40s input lag.

      I bring my Switch back and forth, and believe me, the input lag is noticeable when you start playing on the 40s input lag TV. After a while you get used to it and forget about it.
       

    Share This Page

    Loading...
  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice