People will die! (Antibiotics).

Doug the D

Member
Some more scaremongering from the BBC. On the radio this morning, it was explained that there is an antibiotic that is for all intents and purposes, 'The Daddy'. I can't remember the name of it, but it's basically the last antibiotic in the line of defence that we have against certain bad bacteria. So far, so bad - dun dun durrrrrr (that was the piano building the tension)

Except...the super-killer-gonna-wipe-out-the-whole-world-(next week maybe) that has proved resistant to the Daddy antibiotic was defeated by another type of antibiotic that's a bit further down the food chain.

The bad bacteria might alter it's molecular code, and become resistant to all antibiotics. That word again folks was 'might'.

So, to summarise -
  • there's a bad bacteria that's resistant to a strong antibiotic
  • But the bad bacteria can currently be killed by a weaker antibiotic
  • The bad bacteria might alter and become super deadly
  • But it might not...
[Buys a shed-load of those ridiculous dust masks that Japanese cyclists wear]
 

imightbewrong

Distinguished Member
I don't think there's much need to overreact here everyone. Just take the sensible precautions - stock up on a lot of canned goods. Get a couple of rifles. Make some kind of crows nest vantage point on your roof. Shoot anyone who approaches your house. If they are coughing, shoot them twice. If they get up - headshot. If they still get up they have the dreaded 'lead resistant' strain - this is basically the end of the end-times - while they scratch down the door, try to make a capsule to tell future generations how we lived. And by golly we lived didn't we! (If possible make some kind of mind controlling flute program to teach future generations/civilisations about us).
 

MacrosTheBlack

Well-known Member
I don't think there's much need to overreact here everyone. Just take the sensible precautions - stock up on a lot of canned goods. Get a couple of rifles. Make some kind of crows nest vantage point on your roof. Shoot anyone who approaches your house. If they are coughing, shoot them twice. If they get up - headshot. If they still get up they have the dreaded 'lead resistant' strain - this is basically the end of the end-times - while they scratch down the door, try to make a capsule to tell future generations how we lived. And by golly we lived didn't we! (If possible make some kind of mind controlling flute program to teach future generations/civilisations about us).
Loving the zombie theme and Star Trek NG reference! Off for some hot earl grey..... :)
 

mij

Well-known Member
I cannot remember the stats (I think it was 80%), but was shocked to hear on the radio that the vast majority of antibiotics are used in livestock, mainly to increase growth and survive the cramped conditions.
 

Trollslayer

Distinguished Member
This has been tracked for years - more likely decades - and antibiotic immunity has progressed more slowly than predicted.
 

johntheexpat

Distinguished Member
Coughs and flu are virus based and don't really have a place in a debate about antibiotics.
I only mention this because I am getting fed up with stories tbat eminate from a dreadfully poor media, normally, and use unrelated scary stuff to justify an argument.
Viruses and antibiotics, pollution and global warming, refugees and economic immigrants. The list is endless and getting longer.
Just saying that I find it a little irritating
 

krish

Distinguished Member
This is pretty serious. Scientists have been warning of it for years. It's not scaremongering, it's trying to shake some sense into everybody before it's too late
- although this country is better than most, India is still stuck in the past where ignorant patients demand antibiotics for anything from their micobiologically ignorant doctors who prescribe them regardless
 

EndlessWaves

Distinguished Member
I still don't know why nobody was up in arms about the research guy that created a strain of the flu (I think) that bypasses our defence mechanisms earlier this year.
How do you expect to fix a problem without understanding it? If you wanted to design something to protect against bombs you'd want a bomb maker on the team.

I get the impression that antibiotics are a fairly blunt instrument and the problem isn't so much that they're going to become useless, as that more focused treatments just aren't there yet.

Coughs and flu are virus based and don't really have a place in a debate about antibiotics.
I only mention this because I am getting fed up with stories tbat eminate from a dreadfully poor media, normally, and use unrelated scary stuff to justify an argument.
Viruses and antibiotics, pollution and global warming, refugees and economic immigrants. The list is endless and getting longer.
Just saying that I find it a little irritating
Yeah, it is difficult to find decent journalists these days. Half the time when you do a sanity check on the numbers yourself the effect is so small you wonder why it's newsworthy.
 

Trollslayer

Distinguished Member
I get the impression that antibiotics are a fairly blunt instrument and the problem isn't so much that they're going to become useless, as that more focused treatments just aren't there yet
I would say a universal instrument, it meant a small package could heal so many different people.
 

weaponx031277

Well-known Member
Think ive had them twice in the last 25 years and on both occassions the have been needed.

The local GP that we use my missus has to go there quite a bit and every time hes perscribes antibiotics even for slight colds. Absolute joke.
 

Trollslayer

Distinguished Member
Think ive had them twice in the last 25 years and on both occassions the have been needed.

The local GP that we use my missus has to go there quite a bit and every time hes perscribes antibiotics even for slight colds. Absolute joke.
Then report him.
Apart from the waste of money and ineffective treatments, he is probably a terrible GP all round.
 

Rock Danger

Distinguished Member
don't think I've ever had antibiotics as an adult.. and I'm 45 now...
Me too! The the last time I had them was late teens or early 20's I had a pretty bad chest infection. But have had a few man flu's since then and would spend the time wailing on the couch about how close to death I was to my wife.

And then I'd keep that up for ages so she'd pay more attention to me and to wind her up - why should I suffer alone??
 

krish

Distinguished Member
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SteveCritten

Distinguished Member
I must say since I have been on a high dose of vitamin D (for a condition I have) I don't seem to have had any flu or colds. Touching wood as we speak and I don't mean I need the toilet....mixing my metaphors I think. Not sure if this is a coincidence or not.
 

Tempest

Distinguished Member
My biggest puzzle is at my workplace.
So many people appear perfectly healthy one day, are too sick to come in the next day, then the following day they are back at work looking fine.
That's never happened to me in my entire life.
If I'm coming down with something there is a long run up that's very obvious, then ages to gradually get out of my system, or if I fall or twist my back or something, I suffer for ages whilst by body deals with it.
This whole one day off work concept baffles me.
 

sergiup

Distinguished Member
Yeah yeah, people will die. There've allegedly been a few breakthroughs or at least potential options for new antibiotic and/or anti-bacterial treatments that mean we should still be OK for a while yet.

The issue with mass animal farming giving antibiotics purely for growth and prevention is bad indeed, but when consumers demand so much meat cheaply you kinda know where the blame lies...
 

sergiup

Distinguished Member
My biggest puzzle is at my workplace.
So many people appear perfectly healthy one day, are too sick to come in the next day, then the following day they are back at work looking fine.
That's never happened to me in my entire life.
If I'm coming down with something there is a long run up that's very obvious, then ages to gradually get out of my system, or if I fall or twist my back or something, I suffer for ages whilst by body deals with it.
This whole one day off work concept baffles me.
Stomach bugs can do that, though you probably won't actually feel perfectly fine the next day in most cases, but well enough. Or more realistically, a hangover... :laugh:
 

Ruperts slippers

Distinguished Member
I've had 13 sets of antibiotics since July last yr, 10iv, 2 oral for pneumonia and 1 set this week for a knee infection, I have to say, I do worry about this current run of infections.
 
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