Pay-on-exit parking loophole?

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  1. 273K

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    I once read somewhere on the internet saying that, at a pay-on-exit car park, you have no obligation to pay for parking and they have no right to stop you from leaving. The logic being that it falls under the law on private clamping and it's unlawful to block your access to the highway. You just drive up to the gate press the intercom and tell them to let you out. The attendant (if there is one) is likely to refuse initially, but they know this law and will ultimately let you go if you stand your ground, especially if it's busy and there's cars queued up behind you they'll cave in pretty quick. Additionally the barriers are designed to collapse/move easily (in case of emergency) so you can just drive through them. o_O
    Needless to say I've never had the brass neck to actually try this, nor have I been able to corroborate it, but I do think about it every time I go to a multistorey, especially at the airport!
     
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    Hmm interesting, it would never come into my mind to knowingly park on someone else land which is clearly set up for paid parking to then play games and leave without paying. Why would you even consider that?
     
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    I didn't say I was considering it, it's something I read about and was wondering if it has any basis in fact.
     
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    Lets word it a different way. You go to a opticians. You have your eyes tested. You refuse to pay and leave, knowing full well they cannot stop you. Does not sound morally correct (yet possibly legal)
     
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    True, but legality and morality are not the same thing, and the law is what counts. I'm not disputing that it's a sketchy thing to do, I'm asking whether this morally unacceptable action is technically legal.
     
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    I would imagine it is legal for you to leave without paying but also legal for them to start court action to recover their losses.
     
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    Probably one of those Freeman on the Land things...
     
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    You said you think about it every time you are in a multi storey car park. That certainly sounds like you are considering it. :)
     
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    On the point of refusing to pay at the gate --
    We recently stayed at a premier inn that had an adjacent multi story car park.
    At check in we paid a separate amount to 'validate' the car parking ticket.
    At the exit gate the next morning the ticket came up with a due amount equal to the fee we had paid at the hotel desk.
    I pressed the 'help' button and eventually someone answered and, after hearing my story, told me to pay the machine to exit and then take the matter up with the hotel.
    I pointed out that there was a Q forming behind me and I wasn't about to pay again.
    "Fine" he said and the barrier came up and off we drove.
    I would imagine keeping the traffic flowing was more important than adding over a tenner with me.
     
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    By parking in the car park, you entered into a contract. By leaving without paying, you are breaking the contract. Damaging the barrier is criminal damage.

    One way or another either a summons or County Court judgement is heading your way...

    Now, if you want a loophole, our station car park has 1 rate before 09.30 and a cheaper rate afterwards. Payment can be via a Ringo App which in the terms simply states you must pay for parking, not when payment has to be made. Therefore, just wait until after 09.30 and make a payment. You have still paid for parking and fulfilled the contract - and saved yourself £7.00 per day!!
     
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    Barriers are designed to not break or be damaged by being driven through.
     
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    What happens if you enter the car park, but are unable to actually park because some doofas has parked in such a way that you can't fit your vehicle in? As you haven't been able to park, can you still get out without paying?
     
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    Not sure about all, but the one I drove through in a busy shopping centre, was I was informed designed with a snap plate, which allows fast access for emergency vehicles, and caused no damage to my vehicle.
    Also the busy port I worked for had barriers with the same snap plates, and on a few occasions were accidentally used.
     
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    You think? From experience I can tell you that the barrier will snap off and cost £40+ to repair. (Long story, reversing a truck around in a very tight hotel car park...)
     
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    So, not an NCP pay-on-exit car park, who probably have more experience of such incidents.
     
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    Yes. If don't actually park because you can't find a suitable space/change your mind you can leave without paying. This happened to me once in a car park with barriers car park. I contacted the car park attendant and they opened the barrier so I could get out.
     
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    I said:

    Needless to say I've never had the brass neck to actually try this, nor have I been able to corroborate it, but I do think about it every time I go to a multistorey, especially at the airport!

    To remove any ambiguity, by "think about it" I meant "am reminded, in general, about the scenario I read about and it's legality" not "think about doing it".
    I think about sex multiple times a day, doesn't mean I'm going to drag Stephanie from accounts into the stationery cupboard does it?
     
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    That's what I would have thought, but is it what happens in practice? Not breaking the barrier but if you blag your way out by causing a queue? IIRC most multistoreys don't have big signs up everywhere like private pay & display car parks outlining terms and fines for non payment, etc.?


    There was a fire at a large multistorey in Liverpool last year, the whole thing went up (no one hurt), so I expect all have provision for emergency access.
     
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    Some places are set up to do this automatically, in that you get say 15 minutes free before you need to pay to get out.
     
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    we parked at a hotel (Newcastle for a gig) and the sign said to pay the reception the money (6 quid I think?) to park overnight - we proactively handed over the cash and thought nothing of it, but it looked like the guy just put the money aside (then in his pocket no doubt in hindsight) - as when we left the next day the barrier was already raised...

    we went again a few months later we went back again and said nothing and again the barrier was already open when we left the next day... :(
     
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    I don't believe it for a second, but very funny :)
     
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    Good idea!
     
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    All true apart from the machine.
     
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    Well well, I was convinced. I was told this by my cousin who was living in hall's of residence in clifton at the time, just a mile away.

    Ok, as a weak attempt at redemption, here's a similar one that I know is true because it happened to my kids.
    Back when they were teens they were invited to holiday with my ex wife and partner in southern Spain and decided on a drive to Gibraltar.
    Whilst waiting in the queue to cross the border/ runway an officially dressed man went down the line of cars, tapped the window and asked if they were crossing into Gibraltar. Once they obviously said yes he said "€40 please". They handed over the cash and he carried on down the line.
    By the time it dawned on them they'd been had, he'd long gone.
    They think he had cash from at least sixty cars.
     
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    That story had been doing the rounds for years, normally with the closest tourist attraction to the person telling the story.
     
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    It had that Snopes feel to it :thumbsup:
     

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