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Panny PW7 And HDTV

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by forever, Dec 22, 2004.

  1. forever

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    I had made up my mind to buy a Panny PW7, however the thread with regards to HDTV has made me stop and reconsider.
    Is it just a case at the moment that Panasonic have not devloped the correct card to put into the slots on the back.
    Or does the actual screen not support the required rates?
    Any alternatives to the PW7 that are fully compliant?
     
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    Their current HDMI card is not compatible with 720p50 and 1080i50 signals. I believe these are fine on an analogue input. You may want to consider the new NEC 42VR5 which is fully compatible. Hope this helps.

    Steve
     
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    This does help, thanks

    I too was about to buy a Panasonic TH42PW7 but have read with some dismay about the HDTV issues. The NEC 42VR5 does seem to be the best solution at a very good price.

    Are there any of you experts out there who can comment about the NEC and its compatibility with Sky, Freeview and DVD and XBOX

    TIA
     
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    I was going to make a new thread about this, but this one seems good enough

    According to the Panasonic Shop in Dundee (admittedly, they do seem like a bunch of trained monkeys, but still, I'm sure they must know something) There will be no HDMI for the PW7.

    No HDMI for the PW7

    Yes that required a new line and a repeat of the last few words of the 2nd paragraph.

    Now what?

    They are absolultely intent on plugging those bloody vierra's which will have HDMI. I for one wouldn't waste my money on a vierra. I have a perfectly good digital tuner, speaker system and amp. Why would I want to own them all over again????

    There are 2 reasons why they are selling the vierra so heavily and why it's won "every award going" (quote guy from John Ross hi-fi in Dundee, who conveniently own the panasonic shop in perth)

    1. The components are cheap.

    2. They make the sellers a HUGE profit.

    But the bottom line is they are way overpriced for what they are.

    Incidentally, £2500 is still the going high street price for a PW7. For that you get the Panel, a scart terminal and that's it. I questioned the guy about this price and how much I could get it for to hear "you get lots of crazy prices on the internet these days. They probably don't stock them at all" When I told him AVsales was an actual shop where you can go in and buy, he just said "yeh well, thats what i've been told to sell it at"

    Anyone heard anything about Panasonic becoming evil ba :censored: ds and withdrawing HDMI for the PW7???
     
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    Firstly, the Viera's currently on sale in the UK/Europe do not have digital interfaces at all. So you gain nothing in terms of HDTV support from going that route despite what you may have been told.

    As for the PW7, withdrawal of the HDMI card has been mentioned, although the situation isn't entirely clear. I wouldn't call them evil for doing so though - the HDMI card as it currently exists does not support 720p or 1080i @50hz - both of which are important for the UK market, and without which, the HDMI card DOES NOT comply with the HDMI v1.1 specifications.

    There are rumours of a new, fully compliant revision of the HDMI card, but that has not been confirmed.

    The panel itself does not have a problem with the refresh rates / resolutions, but as long as there is a requirement to use HDCP protected connections for HD content, the current PW7 and DVI/HDMI boards are not suitable.

    Note that it is expressly prohibited by the HDCP license agreement to decrypt protected content and output via an analogue connection, although that doesn't completely rule out such devices being marketed. HDCP does provide functionality that could stop them working though.
     
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    Precisely what connections can you send an HD signal to?

    Seeing as the current HDMI is not any good, would it be component or DVi?

    I knew the current HDMI boards were not good enough for HDTV, but what are the chances of Panasonic bringing out an HDMI that would work properly?

    Also if they don't is it really a bad thing, especially if you can get a DVi board or component board which will work properly with High Def signals anyway?

    Ultimately, I like the PW7, but am growing very concerned about panasonics lack of conviction when it comes to the panels future connectivity.

    Bottom line is, does anyone know the story?

    All I want to do is enjoy SD stuff on the PW7 and when it comes out, have the right connection to watch HD stuff on it as well, fully aware that it will be scalled down to fit the SD resolution of the PW7. I know this will look better than SD on the PW7, but not as good as a true HD panel, but them's the breaks.
     
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    from panasonic consumer panny business system i think are still supplying it.untrained monkeys IMO
     
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    DVI and component are both possibilities. But it's not that simple.

    Most DVI ports have the same problems as Panny's HDMI interface - no 50hz support for HD.

    As for component connections, Sky's current plans do not allow for an analog (component) output for HD content - at least the majority of it, which will only be via DVI/HDMI *and* protected by HDCP encryption.

    Current DVD players only upscale to HDCP protect DVI/HDMI interfaces, and (as such) there is good reason to think that HD content will only be provided by DVI/HDMI on HD-DVD or Blu-Ray players - but we will only know that when the players actually arrive.

    Who knows? I've only seen one source - a post in this forum.

    Then wait for Panasonic to announce a new HDMI card, or failing that, the next generation of panels, which may have fully working connections. It's not out of the question that a solution may exist to allow HD content to work on the current panels, but it can't be relied on either.
     
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    graham welcome back.........
     
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    i think some PW7 owners already have the HDMI board running with the panny S97 dvd player.

    Are there any benefits over component......................or is this not true HDMI v1.1.

    I'm looking to buy that player....................but don't think its worth buying the HDMI board and cable.

    I also bought the PW7 after hearing it would be compatible with HD broadcasts but wouldn't be able to take full advantage of it due to the screens resolution...............know we just have to wait and see what panny come up with..................if anything!

    Tam
     
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    Cheers graham

    I think i have made my mind up and that is to not buy a plasma right now

    not moving house until feb anyway... and wasn't going to buy until I moved house...
     
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    The dealer who sold me my PW7 is so confident that a revised HDMI board is forthcoming that he has said he will let me get a full refund on the panel if the board never arrives. So you never know, I may get 6 months free plasma viewing! :D
     
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    GeeWcee, a few questions if you don't mind :thumbsup:

    Was it AV sales?

    Take it you run the S97 through component.......what's the picture like?

    Do you think it will be improved with an HDMI board................lot of other threads don't seem to think so.

    Do you have a date for delivery of the HDMI board?

    Cheers, Tam
     
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    It's quite possible that they are - but there are three possibilities:

    1) They are only using SD resolution (480p/576p) - there is no problem with these resolutions @ 50hz... only 720p and 1080i.

    2) They are using Region 1 sourced material. (all 60hz resolutions present and correct).

    3) They are doing FRC to 60hz - which introduces judder that you may find objectionable.
     
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    Graham

    Probably the first one.................................on that option do you think a component connection would be just as good?

    Would the board as it stands and this option just be a waste of money?
     
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    The component connection would be more practical at this time.

    Just note what I said earlier about future HD content though - you can't rely on there being an option to input HD-DVD/Blu-Ray/HDTV via a component connection as things stand at the moment.
     
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    No it wasnt AV Sales, it was a mate of mine who happens to run a Panasonic dealers.
    The S97 is a very good performer. I have always had Sony DVDs up until now, but decided to go with the S97 for its HDMI capability..
    No I dont have a date for delivery of a new HDMI board, I personally do not know if it is in the pipeline or not. But with news of Denons new A1XV player imminent release, it makes me more annoyed that the current PW7 HDMI board does not support HD material.
     
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    Very interesting - especially as I have one installed in my PW7 right now ;)
     
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    Do you mind saying which dealer it is?
     
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    Yes I do, as he doesnt want thousands of phone calls from you guys about HDMI cards :D
     
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    can i ask where you got it from and how is it performing with the PW7 compared to component?
     
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    What kind of selfish, ill considered stuff is this?

    I can bet you that this dealer of yours want's thousands of phone calls, because calls are leads and leads often become sales.

    Do your dealer a favour, and name her/him.
     
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    well selling a rare board to your clients that bought screens is part of the service you get buying from a proper dealer......instead of reseller monkeys who know nothing about what they are selling and just undercutting the "proffessional dealer" of which there are far too many muppets claiming to be
     
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    Ok no probs
     
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    Don't over react lad.....it was his request not mine.
     
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    I have just spoken to Panasonic pre sales technical support about the PW7 and they said I can quote them on this

    Q: Will the PW7 support HDTV in the UK in the future?
    A: No, when the standards are fully agreed upon Panasonic will produce a new plasma screen to service this market.

    Q: So are you going to use the SLOT technology used in the PW7 range to provide new\current owners with a HDMI board that is compatible with UK HDTV?
    A: No the current HDMI board will not be revised or altered to accommodate HDTV in the UK.

    I am really disappointed I had set my heart on a PW7 but that’s the final nail, I am not buying a product that has the potential to last 15 to 20 years but will be unusable with systems released in the next 12 to 18 months.
     
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    I heard from Panasonic Germany, take it how you will, but they told me they won't release revised boards for the 6 and 7-series until the year 2010 or earlier, but they was pointing at 2010.
     
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    Cr.p! Well, the last nail in the coffin for me too, I'm still expecting answers back from my local Panasonic dealer (actually I have 2 of them on the task) but from the time it's taking them to get me the information I need (as basic as pricing and avail. of PW7 models here, plus info on the HDMi board) I can tell that it's not going to be "Panny for me".

    Panasonic: brilliant plasma display PQ, lousy marketing/sales efforts :suicide:
    <at least here in France, won't comment for the UK where at least you can see PW7 demos in stores...>

    From what I can read on this and other fora, and discussing with stores mgrs and retail shops and AV specialists in the Paris area it's clear Panasonic have lost a fairly large amount of sales on plasma screens. Some very big stores here have even decided to not deal with them anymore (at least for some time), tired of the incessant screw-ups Panasonic have been imposing on them for the last few... years!

    This terrible situation is supposed to improve in the future due to the recent shake-up in Panasonic Europe org., but in the meantime it's actually worse than ever.

    As they say, "it's going to get worse before it gets better". A classic case.
     
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    :eek: By that time plasma technology will have eventually been phased out already...! :laugh:

    You must have misunderstood the Panasonic guy... either that, or these guys have NO CLUE what they're talking about (not that the latter is an impossible alternative :devil: ).
     
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    I think they have no clue :laugh:
     

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