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Panny PW6 or NEC 42VP4..?

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by Dr Niceguy, Aug 22, 2004.

  1. Dr Niceguy

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    NEC dont get mentioned on here much at all, not sure why, decent units, Perhaps its due to the majority of members choice of looking at the same old websites for inspiration instead of actually seeing the units perform. go demo and see what you think. connectivity may be an issue but at £1600 ish enough left over for an Iscanpro, or S/H ultra!!!!
     
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    I did wonder why no one had responded HD.
    the connctions available are:
    2 x speakers output ( click-fit x 2 ) - rear ¦ 1 x VGA input / output ( 15 PIN HD D-Sub (HD-15) ) - rear ¦ 1 x HD component video / RGB input ( BNC x 5 ) - rear ¦ 1 x DVI-Digital ( 24 PIN Digital DVI ) - rear ¦ 1 x composite video input ( RCA phono ) - rear ¦ 1 x composite video input/output ( BNC ) - rear ¦ 1 x S-Video input ( 4 PIN mini-DIN ) - rear ¦ 1 x component video input ( RCA phono x 3 ) - rear ¦ 3 x audio line-in ( RCA phono x 2 ) - rear ¦ 1 x serial ( 9 PIN D-Sub ) - rear ¦ 2 x remote control - rear

    I was impressed with the spec of the NEC and that review gave it a thumbs up I felt.
    I was impressed with, "Industry leading 12 bit video processing now enables the 42VP4 to resolve 4096 shades of grey, more than any other Plasma on the market".
    That is take directly from NEC's web site, The Panny's fig is 1024 if I'm not mistaken?
    Oh, and it comes with a 2 year warranty as standard, that says something I think?

    Still, my mind is 'mashed' with reading and reading about Plasma's :confused:

    I want to get mine ordered in the day or so though.
     
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    Connectivity seems good, all on BNC which means more limited cable choice but BNC is much better connection than RCA!
     
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    Looking at all the options myself for buying a plasma. Out of interest, can you provide details of the dealer selling the NEC for £1,623 delivered ?

    Whichever model you decide to buy, please let us know how you get on.

    cheers,

    Johnnypanic
     
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    Thanks for that, had a look, unfortunately they only ship to Mainland UK addresses and not Northern Ireland :(

    Johnnypanic
     
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    How do you know it has a 2 year warrenty??
    Most Plasma's have 2 year warrentys if purchased in the USA or EU
    but usually those sold in the UK are excluded from this warrenty
    and we only get 1 year. (part of being in rip off britain)
     
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    Fujitsu and many other commercial screens come with 2 year warranty, Fujitsu is 1 year on site and 2nd year RTB so i would guess NEC are very similar, Commercial plasma market is somewhat different from consumer.
     
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    ur correct found the 2 year warrenty details in the PDF document
    located at the NEC site on my previous post.
    Bit worrying the site offering at £1625 don't give model number.
    (bit do sell an anti-glare version at the same price)
     
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    NEC warranty is 2 yr onsite swap out and NEC are very good at keeping to those kind of commitments. They just don't seem to be interested in penetrating the UK consumer market so haven't shipped units out to magazine reviewers (more popular in USA). The Panasonic, Pioneer and Hitachi already have the main market here (especially with TV versions to get the name out to electronics chains) so few companies demo the NEC, few consumers get to see it, the panel remains in commercial applications.

    The only review I saw of the VP4 a few months back gave it a pretty (unjustly) low score, I suspect a lazy reviewer who figured he's not heard much about the NEC so gave it an average score, commented on black level cos that seemed to be phrase of the week then promptly packed it up without a proper look (I have the same reservations about some Sharp projector reviews I've read recently but I'll leave that one for an even rainier Monday morning!!).

    The NEC for me has good black level and shadow detail, not Panasonic beating but neither does the Pioneer or Hitachi. There is really quite tasty internal processing and colour strength and accuracy is very high, if not the best. The processing shares plenty of tricks from the HT1000/HT1100 Home Cinema projector which has been the most popular HC DLP for the last 18 months or so (and a personal favorite until a shift in HD2+ pricing).

    The 4096 shades bit I seem to remember being only via DVI and is one of those slightly exaggerated theorretical figures. Panasonic quote 2048 shades via DVI...
     
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    I think the Class A and B in the manual would refer to the electromagnetic interference certificate the panel has (not entirely anything to worry about, Class A rates a 0cm distance and B a 100cm distance IIRC, or it might be the other way round)
     
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    Just phoned NEC to work our the partcodes to model number problem.

    50024197 is the 42XM2 at £2211.23 including VAT (good price for a 1024X768 panel)

    50024200 is the 42XM2 again but in silver

    50024927 is the 42VP4PD-G G is for the anti glare at £1617.98 including VAT
     
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    Best to avoid anti-glare, i'm sure it can't be good (or there wouldn't be a model without it!) and is intended mainly for outdoor or window use commercially. That is a stonking price for the XM2.

    One thing to remember, NEC DVI inputs are NOT HDCP compatible (so will not work from HDMI sources or DVI players that use HDCP). I heard there are some new models due at the end of the year which I presume is pushing these prices down - the new models will have HDCP support.
     
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    Funny...This site says the XM2 is HDMI compatible.
     
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    So ... this is a HD panel for SD money????

    Also - where is it for sale for £2211?

    Cheers,

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    Ahh, did not realise the XM2 did have HDCP. Bonus!! Wonder what refresh rates it'll take NR at....
     
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    TBH I wouldn't bother with that model anyway. The MX2 is much better. :thumbsup:
    Besides it's my typo I did mean 50024977
     
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    So ... the MX2 can be had for about the £2200 mark. Plus extra for a stand (I assume).

    Basically - I can get it for the same as a Panny PW6. Would any of the experts out there care to let me know if they think the MX2 is better than the PW6?

    ZedZed
     
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    I know ZedZed it throws a spanner in the works. I've been checking out which plasma to go for for a couple of months now and was set on the PW6...but now once again I'm not so sure.
    This MX2 does look like a bit of a bargain. I wonder how much a mount will cost me.
     
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    Hmmm. I'm after a normal stand - I suppose a universal one would do (although the AV sales site seems to sell it with one at £180). The MX2 looks good (high def. etc.) - although the "cheaper" prices for it are from retailers I've never heard off. (AV-Sales are selling it for over 3k!).

    Now ... if I can find a "known" dealer that's selling it for around the same as a PW6 then I've got a hard decision to make! lol

    ZedZed
     
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    unicol should be able to supply wall or table mount for standard price see www.unicol.com for pricing (price excludes vat)
     
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    Hi,

    It is only the XM2/S (silver bezel) model that is HDCP compatible.

    zedzed,

    Try www.ivojo.co.uk who have the 42XM2/S for an excellent £2355. :smashin: Hope this helps.

    Steve
     
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    er...Dutch they sell the silver one for £2211 at morecompers.co.uk the same price as the grey one. I don't really think there is a difference between the silver and the grey models.
     
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    Thanks horny. I think it's a unicol that AV sales sell with it.

    So ... this or the PW6 RehaB? What are you going for?

    ZedZed
     
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    Blimey, what did I start with this one...lol :confused:

    Now I am even more confused than before, do I go with the Panny PW6 and buy the video cards etc, or go for the4 2XM2/S? :confused: :confused:

    This is doing my head in...lol
     
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    Following on - the full spec. can be found at:
    http://217.34.50.124/products/plasmas/pdf/42xm2.pdf

    Copy and paste effort:-

    Specifications
    Model Number PX-61XM2A Diagonal Screen Size 61"
    PX-50XM3A Diagonal Screen Size 50”
    PX-42XM2A Diagonal Screen Size 42"
    Screen Aspect Ratio 16 to 9
    Active Screen Area 61XM2 53.2 in x 29.9 in1351 mm x 760 mm
    50XM3 43.5 in x 24.5 in, 1106 mm x 622 mm
    42XM2 36.3 in x 20.4 in, 921mm x 518 mm
    Native Pixel Resolution 61XM2/50XM3 1365 x 768
    42XM2 1024 x 768
    Pixel Pitch 61XM2 0.99mm x 0.99mm
    50XM3 0.81mm x 0.81mm
    42XM2 0.897mm x 0.675mm
    Capsulated Color Filter Yes
    Accucrimson Yes
    Front Filter Type AR - Anti reflection
    Output color 256 RGB levels, 16.7 million colors
    Viewing Angle 160 degrees
    Horizontal Frequency Range 15.5 to 110.0 kHz auto, step scan
    Vertical Frequency Range 50 to120 Hz auto, step scan
    PC Signal Compatibility VGA 640x480 @ 60,72,75,85,100, 120 Hz
    SVGA 800x600 @ 56, 60, 72,75,85,100,120 Hz
    XGA 1024x768 @ 60,70,75, 85, 100 Hz
    SXGA 1280x1024 @ 60, 75, 85, 100 Hz
    UXGA 1600x1200 @ 60, 65, 70, 75, 85 Hz
    WideVGA 848x480, 852 x 480 @ 60 Hz
    WideXGA 1360 x 765 @60 Hz, 1280 x 768 @ 60Hz
    Macintosh Compatibility 640x480, 832x624, 1024x768, 1152x870
    Video Signal Compatibility PAL, SECAM, 3.58/4.43 NTSC
    HD Video Signal Compatibility 480p 480i, 525p, 525i, 540p, 625p, 625i, 720p,1035i, 1080i
    Input Terminals RGB 1 (analog) 15-pin mini D-sub (common use with RGB out, selectable)
    RGB 2 (analog) 5 BNC (RGB/HV) (common use with 5BNC Y/Pb/Pr input, selectable)
    RGB 3 (digital) 25-pin DVI (digital only)
    Video 1 Composite BNC x 1 (common use with Video out, selectable)
    Video 2 Composite RCA x 1
    Video 3 S-Video 4-Pin DIN
    HD Video 1 1 set RCA Component (Y,Pb,Pr/Y,Cb,Cr)
    HD Video 2 1 set BNC Component (Y,Pb,Pr/Y,Cb,Cr) (common use with
    5BNC Y/Pb/Pr input,selectable)
    Audio 61XM2/50XM3 Internal amplifier, 9W x 2 output power
    42XM2 Internal amplifier, 8W x 2 output power
    External Control 9-pin mini D-Sub, RS232

    More connections that you can shake a stick at! (although no Scart - not an issue for me as I'd be using an JS Tech Scart to VGA convertor anyway - even if I went with the PW6).

    ZedZed
     
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    Well a freind and I are ording at the same time and I'm going to ask him tomorrow what he thinks. TBH I think I may give the NEC a try it does seem to have good reviews and it has everything I need.
     

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