Panasonic TH42PZ70 and 24fps

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  1. tdm34

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    I don't know if it's been reported elsewere on the forums but dispite Panasonic UK saying the PZ70 has no 24fps compatibility it appears that it does!!
    I've just tested the set with the new Pioneer LX70 blu-ray player (which can switch resolutions via a switch on the handset) it worked perfectly at 24fps . I also tried the same player in both 42" and 50" PZ700 models and it didn't work at 24fps.

    So a bit of a bonus then and BTW the picture was stunning.

    Regards.....
     
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    Thanks, that's really helpful. And could you see a difference in judder ?
     
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    Good news. Thanks for posting. :)
    Assuming you have seen PZ70 next to PZ700 - would you agree there is no difference in perceived contrast ratio despite the mixed statements regarding 5000:1/10000:1.
    Obviously seeing a PZ() next to a PX the difference is immediate and obvious, I was expecting PZ70 to be as bright as PX70.
    Not that it matters no doubt as I won't be using contrast above 40% anyway in all likelihood.
    Would just be interesting to hear your opinion either way as you are one of the few that have played with both ( all three ).
    So far as I know you are the first person anywhere to definitely confirm a PZ70 will accept a forced 24fps input.
    Would also be interesting if you have an opinion as to whether a PZ70 looks superior playing a forced 24fps rather than a PZ700 playing a converted 24fps.
    Thanks.
     
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    FINALLY!!! The thread I've been waiting for

    Could you please tell me if you noticed any differences between the PZ70 AND PZ700

    In actual fact don't bother, I've decided on the PZ70 :devil:
     
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    It was this thread indeed which decided it all for me!!! Just purchased the PZ70 & Tilting Wall Bracket for £1144.00 incl. delivery from http://www.totaldigital.biz!!! Very happy & looking forward to the TV once it arrives :). Decided that the Pioneer was not worth the extra for technology that is bound to become twice as good this time next year :)! ... Despite the better Pioneer blacks :).
     
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    fancy testing it with a 360 and looking for the green ghosting? oh and btw, it is 720p isn't it......?
     
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    With regard to the 360 and green ghosting , maybe the reduced contrast ratio
    could be an advantage.
    From what I gather the ghosting is caused when going from extreme white to black or indeed dark shades it's the phosphors retaining a little energy when going from white to black, now if has reduced contrast ratio the effect should be reduced.
    With respect to the PQ we have the PZ70 next to a 428XD whilst the pioneer clearly had better blacks the PZ70 had much more detail now in my opinion the black levels of the Panny in isolation will be fine , but you'd always notice the extra detail on the Panny even in isolation.

    Motion was definately smoother on the PZ70 in competion against the PZ700
    BTW the PZ700 is being replaced with the PZ750 in the next 4-6 weeks and I would imagine that set will be 24fps compliant, this is why Panasonic have reduced the price on the PZ700 at the beginning of this month the 50" model is now under £2K with pedestal or the wall bracket, and £2300 with the Cabinet.

    regards....
     
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    So what do you think regarding contrast - its exactly the same isn't it ?
    Can you nail it for us - no point buying a PZ700 - either buy a PZ70 or wait for PZ750 ? :cool:
     
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    Not at work today but tommorow i'll have a go at trying to set up a comparison test using a couple of test dvds are there any other requests regarding this tv that anyone wants i'll try and look into it for you. But i've got to say that I think Panasonic might have a monster on their hands and I look forward to the 50" and the rumoured 58" model

    Regards....
     
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    I've got one on order, but you're more than welcome to wet my appetite even further

    Plenty of blu-ray action from ps3 please :devil:

    actually, the TV I was going to get was a sony 40d3000 so a side by side shoot out would be awesome!!
     
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    tdm34,

    Thank you so much to share this very interesting information with us :thumbsup:

    Currently, I have set my eyes on the following cracking plasma TV's and can't wait to do a side-by-side comparison using a PS3 with Blu-ray playback @ 1080p24:

    - Pioneer PDP-LX508D
    - Samsung PS50P96FDX
    - Panasonic TH-50PZ70

    Do you have any idea at which refresh rate the TH42PZ70 is working with a 1080p24 source? And is it capable doing a real 1:1 pixelmapping like on the Pioneer with 1080p sources at 24, 50 and 60 Hz?

    Cheers,
    Fico
     
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    from reading some of the other threads here, the PZ70 will display a forced 24p signal and does 1:1 mapping (need to disable something from the menu)

    Not sure how the 24p actually works yet but owners are saying the picture runs very smoothly

    for just over a grand you can't go wrong
     
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    hi Glen 8.
    With regards to a face off between the PZ70 and the Sony 40D3000
    I've done the comparison and it took about 10 seconds to see the PZ70 is vastly superior to it better blacks, better SD picture, much smoother motion handling and don't forget full 1080p.

    With regard to 1.1 pixel mapping I believe in the setup menu there is an option
    to turn overscan on or off i've got to assume that this is Panasonics way of giving you pixel mapping.

    regards....
     
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    I have the TH-50PZ70, the manual now states this set (and the TH-42PZ70) will accept a 1080/24p signal on HDMI, see below.:thumbsup:

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    That's very interesting.

    It's good that some of the pz70's accept a 24fps signal as there should be no speeding up of the picture as a result. Some judder may exist as it depends if the screen is performing a conversion to a 50hz/60hz signal internally via a 3:2 pulldown/frame repeat, or displaying the picture using a frequency that is a multiple of 24hz, with a 3:3 or 5:5 frame repeat (or similar).
     
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    unfortunately i read in the german hififorum, that the TH-42PZ70E and TH-50PZ70E ACCEPT 1080p24 but DO NOT DISPLAY real 1080p24 as it is said to internally convert it to 60hz again :(

    one guy tested it, using his panasonic xy blu-ray player WITHOUT 24p capability on the one hdmi input of the TH-50PZ70E and the PS3 WITH 24p forced on the other hdmi input and he said, that there was no difference between the two feedings regarding judder...

    what a pity :suicide:
     
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    My 42PZ70E takes my PS3 Blu-Ray feed through HDMI at 1080p/24 and it judders.

    It's nowhere near as bad as the judder through my X360 HD-DVD add-on, but it's still noticeable.
     
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    Hi all

    Great thread and REALLY useful! It seems like there is some real uncertainty around the 24fps compatibility of the PZ70 which I have my eye on...as well as the new Sony 40W3000. (yet to do a side by side comparison although have seen both running separately)

    Is the 24fps issue something that Panasonic might be able to rectify with a firmware update??

    Thanks
     
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    i'm afraid panasonic will NOT have any interest in providing 24p via firmware upgrade for the current series... they are more interested to sell you a new one from an new series :devil:

    wouldn't be a samsung 46 or 52 m86 0r m87 be a viable option? these samsungs DO have by far the best blacks i ever saw on a LCD and 24p is working flawlessly :rolleyes:
     
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    Thanks Christoph - I take your point about the Samsungs - and you are right - picture is v good, however I most certainly could not live with so much curved gloss black plastic! :thumbsdow
     
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    it's only a matter of taste. i think the highgloss black frame of the samsungs looks great :cool:

    if i only knew when the new panas are coming and if they support 24p properly because i would rather prefer a good plasma (pana) to the (admittedly very good) samsung lcd m-series, as bad sources look a little less crappy on plasma than they do an lcd... :rolleyes:
     
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    Hi,
    I'm afraid this picture is a fake 'cause we find no trace of this pdf talking about the 24Hz in any czk, uk, fr, be, or us panasonic website. And for the product description in the czech site, it must be a mistake 'cause as I said when you download the manuals from the very same czech site, the mention 24HZ doesn't appear.
    Or if it is not a fake, could we have a scan of the front page to see what models it talks about exactly please?
    Regards,
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    Its not a fake, it states it in my manual. However, the PZ70 then converts the 24Hz into 50 or 60 (cant quite remember)
     
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    Also in my ITALIAN MANUAL is present the 24p.

    Tomorrow i post the scan of the manual.

    By ! ! !
     
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    the TH 42/50 PZ70 can accept 24p on the hdmi input BUT the pana can NOT show 24p as it's unfortunately upconverted to 50/60hz again :suicide:
     
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    Thats what I was trying to say
     
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    you tried successfully :smashin:
     
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