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Panasonic PT-AE100 with Lecson dvd-1000

Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by Timh, Feb 24, 2002.

  1. Timh

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    Fist off, its Pal progressive out of the box :)
    More to follow in a while.
    I have uploaded some pics here
    Has anyone heard of the n DSp chip for progressive scan?
     
  2. Timh

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    Thanks to chic my player is now multi region and plays both ntsc and pal progressive :)
    It must use a cheap progressive chip as it just failed dismally with the beginning of ST Insurection. All the roof lines had bad jaggies or what ever you call them, but the colour and sharpness and background detail has improved a great deal. I must say there is some ringing to the image, as reported by Li on, are we all going to buy that Kee digital transcoder now ;)

    It seems to be pretty well made compared to some other cheap makes which are out there.
     
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    So final verdict, should us Pansonic PT AE100 owners by this if we want a better picture. Do you get a better picture with it.

    Thanks
     
  4. Timh

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    Brad,

    Yes, you do get a better picture with it, but I should think the Nintaus would be a better buy, it does have the sage chip, which has proved (under test's ) to be a good progressive chip.
    I do need to do more viewing, I have done very little up till now.
    At this moment in time, as a progressive player I would NOT recommend it. (my oppinion after the viewing of ST Insurection) I may change my mind :confused:
     
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    but isnt star trek inserrection a very poorly encoded disc, from the event I remember it took some serious scalers line doublers etc to get it looking half decent.
     
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    Chic

    Hope your right. I will report back after watching Planet of the Apes.
    I am only using cheap coax cables for componant, I need to order some decent one's.
     
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    Yup, ST Ins... was a crappy disc, that's why they used it to show just how bad a picture can be!

    I'd say you're onto a winner there Tim. ST has it all in the opening pan shots, jaggies, poor detail, bad acting:D.............etc

    Watch something else, it'll be ok mate.
     
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    Cant wait for the update rfom Timh after hes watched the planet of the apes.

    I wait with baited breath.
     
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    Tim....our hopes are with you.....You have the PJ(as a few us have)
    ......You have a screen(and not somthing of the mother in laws washing line)
    .......You now have the player(it's progresive....its component)

    You are the chosen one;)

    BTW did I spot a bit of a Norman Lamount moment...I hope not !
     
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    I am waiting too for the results. Fingers crossed.

    Why is there 2 sets of component conections? Does scart 2 allow throughput of RGB or is it composite S-video only?

    It's bound to be okay. Pity you didn't have a transcoder and you could have tested on both signals.

    Regards
     
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    Does it never end, it looks like the projector and screen are only the start. I have had to change my living room around to accomadate the projector, this involved building a fitted cupboard and having a new cabinet built to hold the av gear, jeez!, the price of glass :eek: and now it looks like more expense to get the most out of the projector.

    weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! keep up the good work people, I wanna buy more stuff :p
     
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    one set of the component outputs are to use when using the progressive scan mode ie they feed straight into the progressive chip (see tims photos) and the the other set of component outs bypass the progressive scan chip.

    You can get rgb via the scart as that is what I am using just now as I am waiting for my panasonic. I tried svhs and found it to be poor compaired to rgb.
     
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    Yeah I know you will probably get RGB through Scart 1, but I would use Scart 2 as an RGB throughput if it allows it.

    Regards
     
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    GUY! (General Skanky in case anybody was wondering!)
    I was getting worried!

    You got your new AE100 and then no word.

    I was just beginning to think you:-

    1 Didn't like it
    2 Was having problems
    3 Sent it back and left AV for good
    4 Didn't think it was any good, for your needs
    5 Thought it was so good you didn't need us anymore!

    So come on! Honest opinions.( Don't lie or i will ask Lou!)

    Screendoor =
    Noise =
    Blacks =
    Liveability =

    And the big question........should i get one?

    We now have the price down to £1150ish but i'm temted to just get a Barco 708 off Roland and put that under the stairs, firing from a hole etc.

    You are NOW MY leader!
     
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    Fulabeer......... stil waiting for a screen before I can tell you my exact opinions.
    But I am in the chat room right now!
     
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    LOL:rolleyes:

    1 He bought one...as did I at the same time:)
    2 Problems.....well his screen is on a short spin at the moment;)
    3 Guy leave AV, he was born with RCA lead in his mouth:eek:
    4 He would have been gutted if System Sounds hadn't rung him to tell him his PJ had arrived:mad:
    5 He's too busy earning the dough to pay of the credit agreement:p
     
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    :D
     
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    Hello Tim...just wondering - as well as the picture would you mind giving us the thumbs up thumbs down on the sound output on movies and (dare I say it) music - many thanks again...


    Berth
     
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    Retronana

    :D :D :D

    Just finished watching That Ape film, region 2 (625P in the pj menu), yes, I thought it was a naff ending as well.
    The picture quality was very good indeed :D the picture was much more film like, not like looking through a window as Li on described using VGA, but it was getting a damb site closer than s-video. The only downer I found was when the white credit's were on screen, the letter's seemed to tear into each other, but the image was fine once the credits were gone.
    lipsinc was dead on all the way through with pal, Denon 2800 with lipsinc error, how much are they? and Lecson was only £180.
    This had to be the fastest layer change I have seen, ever.
    The sound seemed great in DTS, but I am no expert on sound, cdr's spin with no problems.
    I will test some CD's tomorrow.

    A strange thing happened earlier, I put in the tray, U571 region 1, The PJ showed it as 625p instead of 525P, I then forced the player into NTSC mode, the PJ changed to 525P but then I lost the picture, the PJ is set to Auto select, I will have to try again but with the PJ set to NTSC only and see what happen's.

    I now need to order some Componant cables, I think I may give the Media Factory a bell in the morning.
    I guess Insurection must be a bad disc then.
    Any questions?
     
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    nice one tim,

    looks like an p/s upgrade for me:)

    so a definate improvement then?

    god this is getting expensive:eek:

    cod
     
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    Yep, it sure is better. It's also an expensive hobby, even when you opt for budget hardware like me.

    Panasonic PT-AE100 £1400
    Lecson dvd-1000 £180
    Da-lite screen £255
    S-video cables £75
    Componant cables £47
    New curtains £250

    Total £2207
    Thats about the price of the Toshiba MT-3
     
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    Forgot to mention, I didn't see any juddering when the camera panned :)
     
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    Thanks again Tim;)

    I liked your suggestion re an "owners club" or web site. Had that idea myself. They say great minds think alike!

    I'm in Ireland as you probably know-no Debenhams over here.

    Should have my Panny/screen in 2 weeks, & at present am looking at the HTPC upgrade route. However, the Nintaus mentioned previously & over at the AVS forums looks very interesting also. VGA output would be very handy(HTPC is relatively easy for me because of my layout).

    A question which I'm sure you've thought about already:

    Where to get a Hoya HMC FL-Day filter for the Panny. Seems to make a big improvement to the Panny & LT150.

    I've been looking, downlaoded the Panny .pdf manual, but it doesn't give the lens diameter. I know you said it's around 55mm, but I'd rather have exact measurements B4 ordering one(if I can even locate a site suitable)

    If you've any info on the filter/suppliers you might let me know.

    Seems a good reward for not much outlay:eek:

    Chat soon.
     
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    Sorry, I cant help you on fiter sites, have you tried Jessops, I am sure they would get you any filter you want, and they have a website.
    To check the thread size you would be best taking your PJ to a camera shop and get them to try one on.

    For the best image, you would definetly have to go the HTPC route and set powerstrip to 856 x 480. Hoglet gave all the settings on another thread, you may have seen it.
    I just prefer the easy route and go with the player.
     
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    The Lecson has a NDSP NV220 progressive chip, how good it is I dont know.
    Heres a link to a pdf file here
    Carl, I'll take a look at your site tomorrow, I'm of to bed now :(
     
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    Iv'e just been testing the Lecson for CD sound quality against my Sony dvp-335, I would say the Lecson is slightly better, the percussion instruments sounded cleaner, that's the best I could say with the knowledge I have of music quality.
    The Sony sucks for CD playback according to HCC.
    I have to wait to next week now for my componant leads from Joe :(
     
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    Thanks Tim, you are proving to be a blessing for the rest of us.

    It's interesting that you say the DVD player is the easy route instead of the HCPC. I think you are right and you have to weigh up the pro's and cons of using either.

    If I had a dedicated room then I would certainly incorporate the PC into my set up. As I don't and my wife is already fuming at the lack of space in the living area I think I will have to go the DVD player route.

    Even with the Lecson. At £180 it's perfect. I can't imagine it would compete with the Toshiba's or Denons, but you never know, however, in progressive scan mode, providing it decodes to a reasonable level then it already has an ace up it's sleeve.

    If I wasn't thinking of buying a projector then I would probably wait, see a review for a technical comparison and then test for myself and buy the best non progressive DVD player I could afford.

    Do you think Panasonic are unable to 'say' the projector has 625p capabilities due to lack of macrovision controls and the legal aspect. I think so.

    Incidentially, you will be able to copy discs to VHS without the need for a Techtronics modification then. Am I right?

    Lip Synch seems to be a common problem with some machines. It is fantastic to know it is bang on out of the box. Maybe that is why it's bang on.

    What does your wife think ? My wife would watch a picture through a snow storm and still thinks it's fine. What does she think of the pj?

    Regards
     
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    Any chance of a side by side picture comparison with 1 picture a s video connection and non progressive scan and the other picture with component out and progressive scan, just to see if we at home can tell the difference even through the pictures you take.
     
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    I will attemt to record from the Lecson in a while, it would be nteresting to know if macrovision has been disabled.
    The Wife thought it looked great with the Sony dvd player, but even she could see the differance with progresssive scan. She loves it!

    Brad

    Today, I fitted the player into my av-rack, so it is now connected by s-video :( I will have to wait for my componant cable's.
    I did try briefly The planet of the Apes again.
    Wow what a differance, last night, the black control panel in the space craft looked black, and kind of glass like, today in s-video it looked ok, but it sought of lost the black glass effect on the control panel, it also looked grainier.
    Up untill now I am very pleased with this player, I think I may end up pulling it out of the rack again later and trying another disc in progressive scan. Maybe r1.
     

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