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Panasonic Lumix GH5 announced

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    1. Mark Hodgkinson

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      DPR have a fairly detailed hands on/first impressions here:

      Movie Maven: Panasonic Lumix DC-GH5 First Impressions Review

      Reading through that I can't say there's much that catches my eye particularly for the hefty $2000 price (which I assume won't be much difference in pounds), the one feature I would really like is a decent slow motion option but it's nowhere near what Sony are offering on the current RX100's and RX10's. To be fair to the GH5 though it seems to be aimed squarely at videographers and it offers exactly what they're wanting in this upgrade, I realise the GH series have always been more focused on video but it seems like the A7sm2 it's reached the point where they're more a video camera in a stills body.

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      Wow that's a whole lot of cash for a camera with a relatively small sensor :eek:
       
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      The specs are outstanding for video Snerks and it's quite some technological achievement.
       
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      "there is no recording time limit for both FHD and 4K video"
      "It also embeds SMPTE-compliant Time Code"
      "Firmware updates will add: Full HD 4:2:2 10bit video recording capability (scheduled for April 2017); 400Mbps 4:2:2 10bit All-Intra video recording in 4K 30p/25p/24p; Full HD, high resolution video recording in Anamorphic mode; Hybrid Log Gamma in Photo Style mode which enables popular 4K HDR video recording and USB tethering (all scheduled for second half of 2017). "

      Those stuck out for me. Obviously going for the Canon's jugular as far as video is concerned. The no recordning time limit is one of the biggies though I thought one of the reasons they restricted it was that is changed import tax requirements from a camrea to a video recorder? The camera being a lower tarrif. Perhaps I'm dreaming that though.

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      Video, meh ;)
       
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      That's right, if the device can't record video for more than 30 minutes it's a camera and avoids paying the higher European duty for camcorders. As far as I can see that is still in effect so I assume in this case Panasonic are raising the price for it to be classified as a camcorder which it seems they did for one of the GH4 variants:

      Panasonic's GH4R Finally Kills the 30-Minute Video Limit

      I'm surprised they haven't done this sooner given how video focused the GH series is even though it's just Europe.

      As for the GH5 while it's not something I'm interested in, it makes a lot of sense to keep improving the video side of the camera when there's clearly a lot of demand for it.

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      The small sensor is still not going to be good enough in low light, but otherwise it sounds like a very useful unit. And I must say I'm getting tired of carting around big heavy lenses for my full frame camera.
       
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      Not sure about that - While the pixel-size has been reduced by having more pixels, there are plenty of lens options.... this sensor is bigger than Blackmagic uses - and that's considered quite a system camera . . . exactly why beats me as it takes forever to set up.

      The GH5 reads like catering for the pros....with 4:2:2 and the low contrast colour options, (much loved by colour graders).
      Certainly lenses should be lighter - and larger aperture... possibly cheaper than FF equiv where Canon is prob. King..
      Some lenses may cater for Video, with built-in ND and extra-blades in the Iris.... for that shallow DoF much loved by Directors.

      +I didn't read any reference to Audio . . . perhaps it's still the poor relation; but it would be nice to have something better than 2-ch stereo. Headphone Out is also needed.....
      -Yet the price does seem to be excessive, IMHO. For that you can get a very competent camcorder that "probably" does a better job and many will take 20Mpx stills as well as having XLR inputs
       
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      What do you mean? Panasonic already beat the pants off any Canon SLR ages ago video wise with the GH4! And the GH5 improves this!
       
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      Anyway I hope they managed to improve focusing speed in 4K mode - it is horribly slow and inaccurate on the GH4 in 4K mode compared to its full speed in 1080P mode. They definitely needed faster processing in body.

      I love the new battery grip optional extra - same as my old Canon bodies used to have to make them similar to a 1D body!

      I notice they haven't changed from H.264 recording to H.265. Probably better off - H.265 is probably too compressed to give decent editing performance and output.
       
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      With memory getting cheaper and larger-capacity cards becoming available, why would you want "more compression" - so-called "better" perhaps, but then you'd have to address all the Users who will have to "upgrade" . . . . 4K gives us another compression to bite on.... but fortunately cards are becoming faster, so we should be able to store more-better data, without having to sacrifice Quality - otherwise there is little point in going to 4K.
      Focusing - I suspect many Mfrs will be looking at having to upgrade their processing chips - and with greater power comes lower battery-life. This is one area where the old SLR-format is a failure, because the battery is already large enough to fit the body. Sure you can bolt-on a battery unit with XLR connections to "satisfy" the Pros - but this is very costly ( having already paid for the internal battery provision, etc. ).
      Video-cameras overcome this "fault" by allowing the battery to be withdrawn from the rear, usually under the eyepiece if fitted..... you can buy another battery of greater capacity, as funds allow.
      Also, with many camcorders having a 20x Zoom built-in, there is no need to buy more glass - - - although that does eliminate "specialist" uses, naturally. The saving grace of most camcorders is their ability to take Stills, either for use in the video Edit, or as stand-alone pictures . . . about 20Mpx being common, with Pana.
      and some Sony camcorders...

      However, IMHO the big issue for GH5 is the very high body-price.... but this could be softened if it included a decent 10-20x Zoom.

      However, up-scalinging the processor chip is likely to be expensive, although the greater power should mean 4K and fast focus/Zoom . . . maybe GH5 is getting Buyers used to a higher price, before Pana re-engineers the whole package for next Season.
      It would be very sensible for Pana ( and Sony?) to offer rivals to BlackMagic, - perhaps with a somewhat faster "time to record" - although many folks will prefer a "camera-shaped" unit.
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      Hi! I was always on the lookout for a "video recorder" that handled 4k. Up to now very few offered +25fps. Also it seems you were offered good camcorders that also took "quite good" photo's or a very good camera that also did "quite good" video. I'm attracted to the GH5 as it clearly "does" outstanding video AND photos! I'm not a professional but only an enthusiastic amateur; even though the cost of the GH5 "on the road" seems high, I feel I'm future proofing myself by getting it.
       

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