LockStock01
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not tried apple plus. the built in apps arent bad, it's just they push some formats like Dolby vision which reduce user adjustment options. You may find they work well for you.. it will be a try and see situation
I'm not familiar with that TV, or what picture output options the firestick has. What I will say is most TVs have more picture adjustment features for HDMI sources, than built in apps. The Apple TV 4k allows you to have almost any combination of Resolution, refresh rate and colour gamut. It also allows you to set any one of those to be dictated by the Apple TV source material. i.e. You can fix the resolution at 4k with SDR, but let the frame rate match the source material (50hz for documentaries, 24hz for movies).We’ve had an 65FZ802B OLED for three years and are very happy with the picture and motion after not getting on with an LG 65E7
We use the TV’s built-in iPlayer and Amazon Prime and Apple TV+ through an Amazon 4K firestick. We had an old Apple TV third generation which we don’t really use now. Just wondered if a newer Apple TV 4K would be worth getting?
same set up I useI made the mistake of going with my brother to buy a tv now every problem is my problem he bought a Sony the os and apps where a nightmare my Phillips 935 are not great the best was Samsung I never had a lg so can’t comment my new tv is the jz I bought new Apple TV once set to 4K sdr not Dolby vision I’ve never looked back it now auto switch’s to the correct piture preset Vincent’s advice I’ve not had any motion judder
Not 100% sure but I think you can change to Dolby Vision Dark on the Panasonic which then unlocks the other options.netflix and amazon are okay, but you loose some of the picture options and modes... for example they repeatedly enable dolby vision, max out luminance and don't allow motion adjustment fully.. iplayer is rubbish.. so yea, not essential but I use apple tv for all apps
at the cinema it depends... most of them use digital lcd projectors... these have terrible motion judder... DLP projectors, Laser projectors or the old 70mm... all have good motion... pick a better cinema ..i find that i am quite susceptible to judder...i have a panny zt plasma and i prefer IFC set to ON. i just cant stand the judder effect i get from when its turned off...even at the cinema watching No Time To Die, the panning shots were horrible to me.
some people must be more sensitive to it than others....
at the cinema it depends... most of them use digital lcd projectors... these have terrible motion judder... DLP projectors, Laser projectors or the old 70mm... all have good motion... pick a better cinema ..
I think its just luck, although I bet almost all have moved over to LCD now ... I went to IMAX in london once and they had a temporary projector as the IMAX was being upgraded... motion was very jarring for me... so yea, its the digital age... nothing will beat crt or plasma for motion.. its in the nature of the technology, just looks natural to the human eye... most kids today don't know what 70mm reel projector or CRT or Plasma TVs look like for natural smooth Cinematic motion.. so don't know what they are missing.....went to an Odeon Luxe...guess i will need to go more upmarket next time lol
Not in my experience.IFC helps to reduce judder. Turning it off will make things worse.
I don't have any experience of the settings you mentioned on Sony TVs but if they're supposed to be equivalent to Panasonic's IFC (which is there specifically to reduce judder), then it sounds like they're poorly implemented if they actually make things worse.Not in my experience.
I have both smoothness and clearness disabled on my A90J and sincerely hope I'll be able to disable the according setting on my JZ2000 when it arrives Saturday.
Some of the picture presets have both settings enabled to varying degrees on the A90J and some content is a judder fest as a result.
It's fair to say that some people seem more sensitive to motion issues than others, plus some don't like the SOE that IFC introduces (even at low levels) and prefer to turn it off completely, whereas others (including myself) find certain scenes almost unwatchable in terms of judder and have it on a Low (or a Custom low) setting and either don't notice - or get used to - a small amount of SOE. Interestingly, I also used to have IFC set to Low on my previous Panasonic plasma for similar reasons - plasmas aren't immune to motion issues either.So I waited and waited. Finally it was down to a Sony A90J or a Panasonic Jz2000.
My friendly local Panasonic dealer persuaded me and a few days later I have a brand new Jz2000 65 inch.
For the last 10 years I have had a Panasonic plasma.
This new TV is my first 4k Oled and to be honest I am really disappointed.
The judder I am getting on motion is just terrible. Panning shots are just awful. Watching squid game the other night it looked like my screen was going to shake itself to death.
I ran some tests and sadly it seems to be better if you leave all the frame creation etc on, it helps the motion, but the picture looks terrible.
I cant win.
I think I am going to take it back and stick with the plasma.
omg I just went to check this out absolute disaster that scene!! Jz1000, black frame insertion on auto, ifc on mid.. basically makes it watchable.. but the soe is unbearable..... This is a rare occurrence with that level of contrast, and the speed of the panning... I doubt any tv would cope with that.. except maybe a sony trinitron from 1995It's fair to say that some people seem more sensitive to motion issues than others, plus some don't like the SOE that IFC introduces (even at low levels) and prefer to turn it off completely, whereas others (including myself) find certain scenes almost unwatchable in terms of judder and have it on a Low (or a Custom low) setting and either don't notice - or get used to - a small amount of SOE. Interestingly, I also used to have IFC set to Low on my previous Panasonic plasma for similar reasons - plasmas aren't immune to motion issues either.
Leaving IFC permanently set to Low on my GZ950 gives an acceptable compromise between judder and SOE for me. I only notice problems occasionally and when they do occur, it'll most likely just be one particular, problematic scene rather than continuously spoiling my enjoyment - at least that's my experience with the content I watch, which is mainly Freeview and catch-up/Netflix/Prime/Disney+/YouTube via the TV's apps.
In terms of the content that causes it, panning shots featuring darker shapes on a bright or white background seem to be particularly problematic. I've actually been enjoying Squid Game without any issues right up until Episode 4. There is a panning shot around a seated group of people @ 38:14 which pretty-much amounts to a so-called 'torture test' for OLED motion-handling, I would imagine. My Low IFC setting did very little for that scene - after experimenting, only Medium and High came close to smoothing out the motion, but then I found the SOE to be very noticeable.
Yes - I don't actively go looking for these issues because it's a problem that rarely bothers me but that scene looked so bad, that I had to make a note of it !omg I just went to check this out absolute disaster that scene!! Jz1000, black frame insertion on auto, ifc on mid.. basically makes it watchable.. but the soe is unbearable..... This is a rare occurrence with that level of contrast, and the speed of the panning... I doubt any tv would cope with that.. except maybe a sony trinitron from 1995
Yes - I don't actively go looking for these issues because it's a problem that rarely bothers me but that scene looked so bad, that I had to make a note of it !
It's definitely a worst case scenario as far as motion is concerned. Thankfully, scenes like that are few and far between, at least with the content I watch and the settings I use.
Thanks for the info. You can change quite a few things on the firestick such as matching frame rate, resolution etc and there is a hidden menu to make it cycle through and force it to to play at a whole number of frame rates. I’ve used Apple products for work since 1993 so might treat myself to a TV4kI'm not familiar with that TV, or what picture output options the firestick has. What I will say is most TVs have more picture adjustment features for HDMI sources, than built in apps. The Apple TV 4k allows you to have almost any combination of Resolution, refresh rate and colour gamut. It also allows you to set any one of those to be dictated by the Apple TV source material. i.e. You can fix the resolution at 4k with SDR, but let the frame rate match the source material (50hz for documentaries, 24hz for movies).
The benefit is, you can configure this in Apple to give your TV whichever signal it handles best. This will be subjective based on what you are sensitive to.
I find the apple tv a godsend, as being able to adjust intelligent frame creation when watching iplayer lets me get a perfect viewing experience. I dont have this option with the in built iplayer app... YMMV
make sure you get the very newest one.. it comes with the remote they finallllly fixed... I want it as cant stand the flat touch button one...Thanks for the info. You can change quite a few things on the firestick such as matching frame rate, resolution etc and there is a hidden menu to make it cycle through and force it to to play at a whole number of frame rates. I’ve used Apple products for work since 1993 so might treat myself to a TV4k