It’s only the Liverpool game that has HDR
Thats the one i'm watching. No HDR for me.
It’s only the Liverpool game that has HDR
I can highly recommend the Apple TV 4K. I was a big sceptic up until about 3 weeks ago and jumped onboard as they were doing the free year's TV+ subscription and I'd read a lot of good thinks about the high quality content you can get through it. It's spiralled from there and I now have a Disney+ subscription, a few Vudu/ Movies Anywhere movies and a US iTunes movie. They're a great device that opens up a whole world of media content for you.I'm tempted to treat myself to an early xmas present of an app box and smart speaker.
I see Fire Sticks and Apple TV get mentioned a fair bit here. I am satisfied with the TV's Home screen and pinning apps to it, and I really wanted to avoid an external box/stick for app usage.
With that said, the much discussed audio issues are starting to drive me up the wall. Switching from ARC to Optical greatly reduced the audio cut outs and lip-sync issues, but it occassionally still happens, and annoyingly requires closing and switching apps a few times to get it to work properly again. This did my head in most recently when I tried to resume The Irishman on Netflix.
I guess it's come to the point where I really need to ditch the TV for app duties. What device would people recommend? I am prepared to pay a bit extra if it has more option and provides better playback.
Whatever device is best, I would require that it
- works with a Harmony Elite remote.
- plays the streaming content at the correct framerate and does not lock to 60hz like the game console apps.
- additionally, I'd like access to the new streaming services of Disney+ and Apple, may as well check these off too if going the external route.
I am also considering a smart speaker like Amazon echo dot or Google device. Any recommendations? I don't need it for TV use, but it would be a bonus to search for films/shows on whatever app's device is recommended.
Interesting. Is that free Apple year sub still up for grabs? It'd certainly make fo a more tempting proposition value wise vs. something like Amazon Fire TV.I can highly recommend the Apple TV 4K. I was a big sceptic up until about 3 weeks ago and jumped onboard as they were doing the free year's TV+ subscription and I'd read a lot of good thinks about the high quality content you can get through it. It's spiralled from there and I now have a Disney+ subscription, a few Vudu/ Movies Anywhere movies and a US iTunes movie. They're a great device that opens up a whole world of media content for you.
If you do go for one, check out the official Apple refurbs. I bought one, at 20% discount on a 'new' ATV 4K, and when it arrived, it was brand new, as was the remote and power cable. I'm not sure exactly what they do as part of the refurb programme but, it seems like the chuck the old one away and put a new one in a box marked 'Refurbished'. The device and remote have several high gloss surfaces and if there was a blemish, you'd easily notice it. There wasn't on mine and everything was wrapped in original plastic protection.
If you buy an ATV, I'd argue a smart speaker isn't necessary as it has Siri built in. If you did want one though, I'm firmly in the Google Assistant camp, so a Nest Mini would be my recommendation as a cheap way into the ecosystem.
Paul
Interesting. Is that free Apple year sub still up for grabs?
You need the remote or an iPhone/ iPad. You could probably control it via a Home Pod too.You mention the Apple has voice support built-in, is that in the box or the remote?
Erm, iTunes aside, I don't think there's any real advantage of one over the other. They both do all the HDR formats (ATV doesn't do HLG but, doesn't do broadcast TV either so I'd argue that's not applicable) and both do Atmos.Does Apple TV have any other advantages over Amazon Fire TV? I just read that the Apple app is on Fire TV too, which is obviously much cheaper. But of the other includes an 1yr Apple sub, perhaps it goes some way to tipping the value scale.
iTunes movies, yes but, you can probably get the Vudu and/ or MA apps on the Fire TV too. They're US based though, so it's not as easy as using a UK based service... It's not that difficult either though.The itunes movies and stuff, is that only available on Apple TV?
Funnily enough I noticed this last night. More a casual footy fan, but wanted to how Amazon were implementing the broadcast so fired up the Liverpool Everton game last night. On my FZ there was no HDR, but when I viewed through my Shield TV there was. I also thought the picture was sharper. I thought it a bit odd the in built app didn't play HDR.Hi has anyone managed to get the Amazon Video tv app to play Premier League content in Hdr? The Grand Tour etc will play in Hdr but the Football won't? My internet is 200meg virgin so more than enough. Any ideas?
I use a Sonos beam soundbar. This is connected via ARC and I have not had any sound problems. I use iPlayer, Netflix, Prime etc with no problems. The Beam has Alexa and Google built in and control TV on/off and volume but not change channels. Worth considering unless you want the full 5.1 experience - you could get this with extra sonos speakers but would get expensive.I'd like access to the new streaming services of Disney+ and Apple, may as well check these off too if going the external route.
I wouldn't worry too much yet. Your TV will definitely have a burn in period after which you will find the picture is better and the standard settings will be much closer to what you want. (I should add in my experience!)Been fiddling a lot (driving Mrs crazy!)
I find warm2 too much, so tend to use normal or sometime try warm1, sometimes takes a bit of getting used to. I leave my colour at 50 and brightness at 0, interesting to see yours, what’s your source? When I first had my SkyQ hdmi input on the tv was accidentally wrongly set on YCbCr to full not limited and to compensate I had to turn down brightness to -5... I now have the input set as normal and brightness looks correct at 0.Well, I pushed the boat out and got the Panny 952 as Topcashback were doing 15% back at Currys TopCashback ref link so my 10 year old Kuro has been demoted. But I seem to miss it!
Been fiddling a lot (driving Mrs crazy!) after starting from the kind Pro 1 recommended settings found here.
I find Warm2 way too yellow so am running Normal – why up the degrees Kelvin on white SO much with Warm 2? Snow is NOT slightly yellow
I’m not getting the blacks I want so have been reducing brightness (I guess this is black level 0v in proper terms?).
I’ve been backing the contrast and luminance down and down to try to avoid the clippy harsh whites you get when the screen is set nice and punchy.
I’ve reduced the gamma a notch to try and bring the midrange down a bit and make it all look a bit less washed out.
Its so big that HD looks a bit soft on it so have been increasing sharpness - a LOT.
I seem to hate HDR – watched The Crown and all I could see was a hugely ‘blown’ window behind Queenie – clipped whites are SO much more amplified. Literally makes your eye’s iris stop down – which I found truly awful. I also found the rest a bit smudgy and dark.
But I also know I’m on a learning curve and need to keep fiddling (sorry Mrs)! Other than motion on min everything auto is of course off and I’m in REC 709 colourspace. I did see an amazing Leopard in the water on iPlayer demo using HLG 4k
So did anyone else have any similar thoughts when they switched from a Kuro – damn that was a nice organic picture that rolled off peaks and never added clipping.
Given what I have said above are my settings off in any way?
I was also watching The Apprentice last night and the difference in gamma, sharpness and luminance level between the 3 shot of the judges and the singles/3 shots of the contestants was really pronounced on what is usually a well graded how done with proper cameras. Ohh I sound rattled - hate change!!!
You like to fiddle, don't you!Well, I pushed the boat out and got the Panny 952 as Topcashback were doing 15% back at Currys TopCashback ref link so my 10 year old Kuro has been demoted. But I seem to miss it!
Been fiddling a lot (driving Mrs crazy!) after starting from the kind Pro 1 recommended settings found here.
I find Warm2 way too yellow so am running Normal – why up the degrees Kelvin on white SO much with Warm 2? Snow is NOT slightly yellow
I’m not getting the blacks I want so have been reducing brightness (I guess this is black level 0v in proper terms?).
I’ve been backing the contrast and luminance down and down to try to avoid the clippy harsh whites you get when the screen is set nice and punchy.
I’ve reduced the gamma a notch to try and bring the midrange down a bit and make it all look a bit less washed out.
Its so big that HD looks a bit soft on it so have been increasing sharpness - a LOT.
I seem to hate HDR – watched The Crown and all I could see was a hugely ‘blown’ window behind Queenie – clipped whites are SO much more amplified. Literally makes your eye’s iris stop down – which I found truly awful. I also found the rest a bit smudgy and dark.
But I also know I’m on a learning curve and need to keep fiddling (sorry Mrs)! Other than motion on min everything auto is of course off and I’m in REC 709 colourspace. I did see an amazing Leopard in the water on iPlayer demo using HLG 4k
So did anyone else have any similar thoughts when they switched from a Kuro – damn that was a nice organic picture that rolled off peaks and never added clipping.
Given what I have said above are my settings off in any way?
I was also watching The Apprentice last night and the difference in gamma, sharpness and luminance level between the 3 shot of the judges and the singles/3 shots of the contestants was really pronounced on what is usually a well graded how done with proper cameras. Ohh I sound rattled - hate change!!!
It's probably better to just get used to it. The appeal is the accuracy - if you were to pay several hundred quid for a calibration you'd have something borderline identical to Professional 1 out of the box. The big movie studios also reportedly use the exact same TVs, so you can take comfort in knowing that the picture you don't like, is appearing exactly how the millionaire's want you to see their content.Well, I pushed the boat out and got the Panny 952 as Topcashback were doing 15% back at Currys TopCashback ref link so my 10 year old Kuro has been demoted. But I seem to miss it!
Been fiddling a lot (driving Mrs crazy!) after starting from the kind Pro 1 recommended settings found here.
I find Warm2 way too yellow so am running Normal – why up the degrees Kelvin on white SO much with Warm 2? Snow is NOT slightly yellow
I’m not getting the blacks I want so have been reducing brightness (I guess this is black level 0v in proper terms?).
I’ve been backing the contrast and luminance down and down to try to avoid the clippy harsh whites you get when the screen is set nice and punchy.
I’ve reduced the gamma a notch to try and bring the midrange down a bit and make it all look a bit less washed out.
Its so big that HD looks a bit soft on it so have been increasing sharpness - a LOT.
I seem to hate HDR – watched The Crown and all I could see was a hugely ‘blown’ window behind Queenie – clipped whites are SO much more amplified. Literally makes your eye’s iris stop down – which I found truly awful. I also found the rest a bit smudgy and dark.
But I also know I’m on a learning curve and need to keep fiddling (sorry Mrs)! Other than motion on min everything auto is of course off and I’m in REC 709 colourspace. I did see an amazing Leopard in the water on iPlayer demo using HLG 4k
So did anyone else have any similar thoughts when they switched from a Kuro – damn that was a nice organic picture that rolled off peaks and never added clipping.
Given what I have said above are my settings off in any way?
I was also watching The Apprentice last night and the difference in gamma, sharpness and luminance level between the 3 shot of the judges and the singles/3 shots of the contestants was really pronounced on what is usually a well graded how done with proper cameras. Ohh I sound rattled - hate change!!!
Do you have the TV sound output to PCM? I did find using that basically results in Stereo sound, and no lip-sync or audio issues - it was fine.I use a Sonos beam soundbar. This is connected via ARC and I have not had any sound problems. I use iPlayer, Netflix, Prime etc with no problems. The Beam has Alexa and Google built in and control TV on/off and volume but not change channels. Worth considering unless you want the full 5.1 experience - you could get this with extra sonos speakers but would get expensive.
Brilliant advice guys and I fully accept i have to accept change LOL - always been terrible at it There must be a master reset or 'defaults' setting somewhere to get Pro 1 back to unfiddled settings and I will start again?
Paul thanks in particular for the input. Its accuracy I want - I hate messed about with pics. £500 a day superstar colourists do too! I had just taken gamma to 2.1 from std 2.2 to crush the mids a touch.
When its in HDR mode does it auto switch the colourspace too I assume to UHD rec 2020? Does Prof 1 picture settings have a HDR setting too then - or is it one look for 709 HD/2020 UHD and HDR flavours?
Thtsnotmynaim "Full / limited is the colour range on the hdmi input " so when feeding it what I assume is the 709 MPEG stream from my Freesat box there is a colourspace control? Surely this is analogue stuff RGB/Component? Or is this about non TV sources 'full range 0 - 255' v legal range 16-235?
That's an easy one. If you want to go this route, I'd happily give my recommendations.I could calibrate it myself I'm sure but im not sure of the kit of bits I need to do that and best test software etc.
That's a bit... extreme. Probably looks like a Panny plasma nowI'm also surprised with the high luminace level a lot of you seem to use. I feel like my panel has got a bit brighter this past week, and I felt the need to lower luminace a little more (SDR).
Professional 1 - 24 luminance. (Bias light/lamp - but also fine for day time)
Professional 2 - 7 luminance. (Pitch black)
Part of my issue is having to turn brightness down to - 5 luminance I have at 60 and contrast at 90Well, I pushed the boat out and got the Panny 952 as Topcashback were doing 15% back at Currys TopCashback ref link so my 10 year old Kuro has been demoted. But I seem to miss it!
Been fiddling a lot (driving Mrs crazy!) after starting from the kind Pro 1 recommended settings found here.
I find Warm2 way too yellow so am running Normal – why up the degrees Kelvin on white SO much with Warm 2? Snow is NOT slightly yellow
I’m not getting the blacks I want so have been reducing brightness (I guess this is black level 0v in proper terms?).
I’ve been backing the contrast and luminance down and down to try to avoid the clippy harsh whites you get when the screen is set nice and punchy.
I’ve reduced the gamma a notch to try and bring the midrange down a bit and make it all look a bit less washed out.
Its so big that HD looks a bit soft on it so have been increasing sharpness - a LOT.
I seem to hate HDR – watched The Crown and all I could see was a hugely ‘blown’ window behind Queenie – clipped whites are SO much more amplified. Literally makes your eye’s iris stop down – which I found truly awful. I also found the rest a bit smudgy and dark.
But I also know I’m on a learning curve and need to keep fiddling (sorry Mrs)! Other than motion on min everything auto is of course off and I’m in REC 709 colourspace. I did see an amazing Leopard in the water on iPlayer demo using HLG 4k
So did anyone else have any similar thoughts when they switched from a Kuro – damn that was a nice organic picture that rolled off peaks and never added clipping.
Given what I have said above are my settings off in any way?
I was also watching The Apprentice last night and the difference in gamma, sharpness and luminance level between the 3 shot of the judges and the singles/3 shots of the contestants was really pronounced on what is usually a well graded how done with proper cameras. Ohh I sound rattled - hate change!!!
I have just checked and it was set to AUTO but when I first got the TV I did play around with both Dolby and PCM and neither gave any problems - I suspect it is down to how well the (soundbar) manufacturer has implemented ARC.Do you have the TV sound output to PCM?