http://ws2.richersounds.com/showproduct.php?cda=showproduct&pid=PANA-DMRE500HEBS Brand new boxed. Seems like a good price considering it's £1,300 rrp. Though I always though that was a ridiculous amount. Still, I paid £480 for my 80 GB Pan 85 a year ago. An extra £120 for a 400GB hdd recorder seems doesn't seem like a lot to pay. I'm almost tempted to get one myself as my HDD is practically full. Still, I suppose it's cheap becasue it's likely to be replaced soon. As id usually the case.