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Panasonic DMR-500H + DMR-E700BD

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by Rob20, Sep 17, 2004.

  1. Rob20

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    Looking through the latest HCC mag, (Nov 2004 issue), they had these two new models. The 500 is to come out in the uk, (already out in Japan), and is their latest flagship dvdr/hdd model with a 400 GB HDD, improved MPEG4 and full 5.1 dvd audio compatibility etc. While the 700 is Panasonic's 1st dvd Blu-ray recorder, (I think), and apparantly the world's first dvd recorder that supports single sided, dual layer discs with a max capacity of 50GB. Also records on teh familiar ram/dvd-r dvd discs. The thing is, there's only a £250 difference between the two. Ok I know the 500 has a 400 Gb hdd but what does that matter if the Blu-Ray discs have RAM functionality and the equibelent space of 10+ dvd blanks. Plus you'll be future proof and still be able to play your current dvd collection. Who's gonna spend £1,300 on technology that's already been replaced?
     
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    What HCC fails to mention is this is currently Japan only - the UK price is just a conversion from the price in Yen. We may see a similar model released in the US but it will be 2006 at the earliest before Panasonic releases a BluRay recorder here.
     
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    I was just reading an article from pcworld that said the same thing. Basically Panasonic would be unlikely to release a Blu-Ray player till there is a sufficiently strong hi-def market. So at the earliest 2006. Still, if I were looking to buy a new dvd recorder I'd stick with one of the cheaper player's such as Pan 85 for £400-450, and wait 2 years, (or less), rather than spend £1,300 on the Pan DMR 500.
     
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    Wow the future comes so fast! I see the blu-ray format supports MPEG-4 AVC High Profile which means HDTV at a practical bitrate.

    Only when we get HDTV transmissions will DVD go obsolete.
     
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    Well it depends what you want and how much of a budget your on. As far as I can see the Panasonic E500 looks an awesome machine.
     
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    Both Blu-ray and HD DVD recorders/players will support the MPEG4 AVC HP and VC-1 codecs - in addition to MPEG2. Bring on that HD in 2006! :smashin:

    Steve
     
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    It does look like a fantastic machine, but it's £500 more expensive than the 95. Personally I can't see why!? If you're loaded I suppose you could afford to spend £1,300 on a dvd player only to replace it 2 years later. As someone who can't, I have to be a lot more careful. Unfortuantly.
     
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    Build quality - it should be able to compete with middle market/lower upper market DVD players for quality output - especially with the HDMI output. And it's PC streaming functions (for MP3s, WMA, JPEGs) are going to be of (great) interest to some.
     
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    Here's the 500:

    [​IMG]

    DVD Player-Recorder with 400GB Hard Disk - Available October 2004


    Playable Discs
    DVD-RAM: 12cm (4.7GB/9.4GB), 8cm (2.8GB), 12cm (4.7GB) (Ver.2.1 / 3x speed DVD-RAM Revision 1.0) DVD-R: 12cm (4.7GB), 8cm (1.4GB) (for General Ver. 2.0), 12cm (4.7GB) (for General Ver.2.0 / 4x speed DVD-R Revision 1.0), DVD-Video, DVD-Audio, Video CD, CD-Audio (CD-DA), CD-R/RW (MP3, CD-DA, Video CD formatted disc)

    Recordable Discs
    DVD-RAM: 12cm (4.7GB/9.4GB), 8cm (2.8GB), 12cm (4.7GB) (Ver.2.1 / 3x speed DVD-RAM Revision 1.0) DVD-R: 12cm (4.7GB), 8cm (1.4GB) (for General Ver. 2.0), 12cm (4.7GB) (for General Ver.2.0 / 4x speed DVD-R Revision 1.0)

    Recording Standards
    DVD Video Recording Format (DVD-RAM), DVD Video Format (DVD-R)

    Built-in Hard Disk Capacity 400GB

    Recording Time

    XP Mode - Approx. 89 hours (with HDD), Approx. 1 hour (with 4.7GB disc)

    SP Mode - Approx. 177 hours (with HDD), Approx. 2 hours (with 4.7GB disc)

    LP Mode - Approx. 355 hours (with HDD), Approx. 4 hours (with 4.7GB disc)

    EP Mode - Approx. 532 hours (with HDD), Approx. 8 hours (with 4.7GB disc)

    Television System

    Tuner System - PAL-l
    Channel Coverage - UHF: CH 21-68

    Video

    PAL colour signal, 625 lines, 50 fields / NTSC colour signal, 525 lines, 60 fields

    Recording System - MPEG2 (Hybrid VBR) MPEG4 (VBR)

    Input - Video In - AV1 / AV2 (21 pin), AV3 / AV4 (pin jack)

    Input - S-Video Out - AV2 (21 pin), AV3 / AV4 (S terminal)

    Input - RGB In - AV2 (21 pin) (PAL)

    Output - Video Out - AV1 / AV2 (21 pin), Video out (pin jack)

    Output - S-Video Out - AV1 (21 pin), S-Video out (S terminal)

    Output - RGB Out - AV1 (21 pin) (PAL)

    Component Video Output - Y: 1.0 Vp-p; 75 ohm, PB: 0.7 Vp-p; 75 ohm, PR: 0.7 Vp-p; 75 ohm

    Audio

    Recording System - Dolby Digital 2ch, Linear PCM (xp mode, 2ch), G.726(MPEG4)

    Input - Audio In - AV1 / AV2 (21 pin), AV3 / AV4 (pin jack)

    Output - Audio Out - AV1 / AV2 (21 pin), Audio out (pin jack)

    Output - Digital Audio Out - Optical terminal (PCM, Dolby Digital, DTS, MPEG)

    SD/PC Card Slot

    Card Slot
    SD Memory Card Slot: 1pc, PC Card Slot (Type II): 1pc

    Image File - Compatible Media
    SD Card Slot: SD Memory Card, MultiMediaCard


    PC Card Slot: A PC Card adaptor conforming to PC Card Standards, ATA Flash PC Card, PC Card Adaptor (SD Memory Card, xD Picture Card, Microdrive, MUltiMediaCard, Compact Flash, Smart Media, Memory Stick), Mobile hard disk

    Image File - Image File Format
    JPEG conforming DCF (Design rule for Camera File System), (Sub sampling; 4:2:2 or4:2:0) TIFF (Uncompressed RGB chunky) / DPOF Compatible

    Image File - Number of Pixels
    34 x 34 to 6144 x 4096

    General

    Power Supply - AC220 - 240V, 50Hz

    Power Consumption - 48W

    Dimensions (W x H x D) - 430 x 79 x 302mm

    Weight - 5.0kg


    Doesn't mention an HDMI out!?
     
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    Nope - looks like the European version has dropped it - Panasonic have lost the plot. They add HDMI to their European Plasmas but not to their £1000+ DVD recorder!?!
     
  11. Rob20

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    Pan 700:

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    Panasonic Unveils Blu-ray Recorder

    Upcoming device will also support dual-layer discs and existing DVD formats.

    (Martyn Williams, IDG News Service. Wednesday, June 30, 2004).

    Matsu****a Electric Industrial will launch a Blu-ray Disc recorder compatible with new dual-layer discs and existing recordable DVD formats at the end of July, the company says.

    The Panasonic DMR-E700BD can record 4.5 hours of digital satellite high-definition television when used with 50GB dual-layer Blu-ray Disc Rewritable format discs, says Etsuji Shuda, director of Panasonic's AVC Networks home AV business unit, at a Tokyo news conference.

    This extends to 6 hours for digital terrestrial HDTV and 9 hours for standard definition digital satellite TV. Analog television can be recorded for between 10.5 hours and 63 hours depending on the quality mode selected.

    Single-layer Blu-ray Disc Rewritable discs with a capacity of 25GB are also supported and offer half the recording time, while DVD-RAM and DVD-R discs can be used to record analog television. Panasonic plans to launch both single-layer and dual-layer Blu-ray discs to coincide with the recorder's launch on July 31.

    High Definition DVDs

    Blu-ray Disc is one of two formats emerging as a potential replacement for DVD-Video. Consumer electronics companies are looking at new formats because DVD's recording capacity, which is generally either 4.7GB or 9.4GB, is only enough to store around one hour of HDTV. The other format is called HD-DVD and has yet to be commercialized.

    Both formats rely on blue lasers to enable the storage of more data on a disc the same diameter as a CD or DVD. Because blue light has a shorter wavelength than the red light used in DVDs, the spot the laser makes on the recording surface is smaller. This means each bit of data needs less space and so more can be crammed onto a disc.

    The new recorder will cost around $2780, the 50GB LM-BRM50 disc will cost around $69 and the 25GB LM-BRM25 disc will cost around $32, Matsu****a says.

    Despite the high cost of the player, Matsu****a is hopeful it will find customers thanks to Japan's summer bonus season and the upcoming Olympic Games. Previously such major sporting events have provided a driver for large-screen televisions and video technology and the same is hoped for this year as Japanese public television NHK (Japan Broadcasting) is planning to air around 250 hours of high-definition television coverage from Athens.

    "There is a 6-hour time difference between Japan and Greece," says Shuda. "Most live broadcasts will be in the night so people will enjoy the Olympics by recording them."

    The vast majority of recorders are not capable of high-definition recording so most owners of HDTV compatible televisions will not be able to enjoy the images at full resolution. Matsu****a's Blu-ray recorder is aimed at this audience because it is able to record in high definition.

    Product Plans

    In launching the player, Matsu****a becomes the second company to commercialize a Blu-ray Disc recorder. Sony, one of the main drivers of the format, launched a recorder in April last year. The BDZ-S77 went on sale for slightly more than $4000 and currently costs around $3000. Sony has not announced any sales figures for the machine.

    The discs used by Matsu****a in its new machine are different to those used by Sony. The Sony recorder uses single-layer discs with a 23GB capacity encased in a cartridge, while Matsu****a's discs, in addition to being a different capacity, are in an open cartridge that the company says will become the standard for Blu-ray Disc.

    As a result of the differences there are some compatibility issues. While the Sony 23GB discs can be played back and used for recording in the Matsu****a machine, using Matsu****a discs with the Sony recorder presents some problems.

    Sony says its machine is incompatible with the new Matsu****a discs. A Matsu****a spokesperson says playback of the 25GB discs in the Sony machine is possible although it takes about 90 seconds to recognize the disc. The 50GB discs cannot be used.

    Matsu****a says it has no plans to launch the DMR-E700BD outside of Japan. Plans for overseas versions will depend on the development of the HDTV market in the respective countries, says Shuda.

    Other companies are also planning recorders and have shown prototype models. At the CES show in Las Vegas in January South Korea's LG Electronics said it plans to launch a Blu-ray recorder with built-in hard drive in the U.S. market later this year.
     
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    Seems like an odd omision. On a seperate point, I wonder if it will allow you to manage your recordings. i.e. by having sepereate folders or equivelant that you can place recordingas into. In this way you could put movies in one, tv programmes in another, new recordings and so on. Would be a nightmare otherwise to have to navigate 400 GB HDD.
     

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