Have finally decided to go for it ! I have been waiting for the price of these things to come down to a reasonable level before I took the plunge. I went to a local dealer who after haggling gave it to me for £720 with 5 DVDRam discs and a few DVD r's. It was too good to turn down. Still a lot of money but considering top end SVHS players used to cost nearly £500, I think it is money well spent. I have read the forums and concerns of which format is going to take off but I have never known Panasonic to support any dud formats. Philips on the other hand, well... I also looked into the Pioneer but the fact that recording time on DVDr's was not that great in top quality counted against it for me. What won it for me with the Panny was it looks and feels superb quality. It has the time slip facility which the others haven't. The ram medium is flexible for my recording purposes and the fact I can burn to compatible DVDr's when I need to archive permanently. I will keep you posted on how I get on !!