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Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by windfall, Oct 9, 2004.

  1. windfall

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    Hey Chaps

    I called my Panasonic centre in Milton Keynes today. They have the PTAE700 in stock but are asking retail price at £1699! :eek:

    Chap I spoke to was arragant in that he said he did not need to discount it as no one else was selling it in the area. They are throwing in the 5ft screen with it which is a waste of time from my POV. I am gonna pop in later and have a look as they have one on Demo.

    Will leave my POV's later.

    Can some let me know what the cheapest they have actually purchased for?

    Would be useful as I will try to haggle a little.

    Cheers

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  2. Drew C

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    If they are arrogant, why bother trying to haggle.
    Have a demo, and if you like it, buy it from one of the respectable retailers who sponsor this forum (discounttv, nexnix etc....)
    If they have a bad attitude before you buy it, imagine what they would be like if you had a problem.
     
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    i had to call my local one too and their reply was the same, i.e any other stockist must have imported stock and we pay more than that at cost etc. i felt quite happy in a way though as the only people who actually seem to buy from thenm seem to be they type of people i would enjoy ripping off anyway! i.e not a clue what they are buying but it was expensive so it must be good bunch ;)
     
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    to be fair when you work for a small independant which most panny centres are you get really peed off with idiots who come and say " I can get that for £XXX of the net or mail order brandishing a copy of WHiFi S&V in your face.......... They do pay more cost price than the cheapest online price...... Panasonic UK are very very volume based and you have to sell £100,000.00s of Panny gear annually to get a good price on kit now they can do 10% off everywhere (high street can) but they are offering demo facilities etc and to RIP them off as suggested above is also wrong be reasonable if theya re arrogant idiots fair enough but often you will find they are just struggling to survive........ Cheap web prices can be imports and can be a nightmare to deal with.... High street retailers need to realise that competition is very very real............ and rolling out the "its a grey import" Rubbish wont wash anymore... And start proving its worth spending a little more for excellent service, demos and advice....... Imagine if you could walk into a retailer and have a personalised demo set -up and advised by someone like me???? Would you pay extra?
     
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    I see what you are saying but I went to my local AV specialist today (musical Images) and brought a new DVD player after spending about 2 hours demoing, the model I brought was the Denon 2910, superb machine but they also gave me a 10% discount. It is possible this is not a discontinued model it has only just come out.

    Having a friendly relationship with your local dealers makes the diference
     
  6. hornydragon

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    I agree there is no excuse for poor dealer service........ but i think that people are far too quick to condem local dealers you wont build a good relationship if you walk in with the attitude that they are Rip Off merchants and idiots....
     
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    I haggled with my local "Shop@Panasonic" and they've agreed to match the price of the AE700 as it is on the "AV-Sales" website. All they ask is that I take in a print-out showing the "AV-Sales" Price. I used this as a comparison as they both offer the free screen. So I get an AE700 locally at an internet price! :clap:
     
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    there you go a dealer with respect (and a slightly heavier wallet tonight)
     
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    The Milton Keynes Panasonic shop is full of arrogant sales staff. It's amazing that they get any form of business with that attitude. What makes it worse is their arrogance is only matched by their ignorance of Panasonic products. :D
     
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    Well I went in the shop and saw the AE700.

    I was impressed. The amount of ambient light in the shop was high and even after dropping the lights a bit the picture shone.

    I could see no VB at all this was a 5ft screen (DaLight) which is sold "free" with the PJ.
    I told the guy I had just sold my AE100 and was very keen to buy. The only deal he could strike was £100 off the £1699. It was a token but to be honest was not enough for me to reach for my wallet immediately.

    I saw the lens shift which I think is ok, as I havn't used one before I thought it was better then ok..it was good.

    I started playing around with the menu's and the sales chap got slightly annoyed that I was changing the settings. I told him that I had to get a feel for what the options did. I found the service menu and went in, he was surprised I knew about it.
    I then asked what the Iris did he said it was similar to the low ;amp mode on previous models - is this correct?

    Again I mentioned some of the Internet prices and I said these prices were shops! He slagged them all off! Wasn't having any of it at all. I told him he was being narrow minded and should understand the competition but he wasnt wearing it at all and said that if something went wrong how would that be dealt with? I told him about using some of the internet shops that they were good to deal with, but I relate to one point (hence driving to Lon for demo and subsequent purchase) that buying over the counter is easy and if there is a problem you just box it back up and take it in.

    We will see what happens next!

    Thanks for your POV's chaps always a pleasure.

    Tone

    Overall I would be happy with a AE700 I only managed to watch a few bits and pieces for 10 mins (when we got the Ae100 we spent 3 hours watching and comparing at Musical Images in Edgware and then purchased) but the demo facility (if thats what you can call) it was no good. I dont like to buy blind but I know now that I could purchase the 700 as a worthy replacement to my 100.

    The mounting holes are the same again so I wont need a new mounting plate for my unicol mount :clap:

    I need to get one of these PJ's asap now, but where from is the key issue!


    AUTOMATT

    Which dealer gave you the deal? Thats very good!
     
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    Tonetrainer,

    No - it is similar to (but not the same as) the AI mode on the 500 - it's a mechanical iris which actually opens and closes according to the level of brightness that the projector "thinks" is required for a particular scene. Low lamp mode just runs the lamp on a lower voltage, less light output, less heat, longer lamp-life.

    I sympathise with having to deal with some of the muppets who masquerade as "sales assistants" particlarly in franchise operations, Panasonic/Sony shops..... I can't count the number of times I've overheard people being completely misinformed by these idiots, I have no idea why they can't inform themselves about the products they sell...... Oh, wait a mo', I do know why.... they're lazy time-clock punchers who have no interest in their work, other than to make sales.

    Independent dealers usually have a couple of enthusiasts onboard and really that's where you should be looking for a cance to demo stuff with someone knowledgable (even if it's just for the sake of another brain to chat to.....). Try some of the forum sponsors if you can - Ben Miller (Discounttv) has been right in the thick of it with the release of the AE700, Nexnix have also gotten rave reviews for demos, Avsales also spring to mind, Ntslik (Audiovisiononline) are very strong on promoting Optoma DLPs, in fact I'd say all of the sponsors have members here who'd speak up for them........ The fact that they also turn up here from time to time to chat (and promote their stuff...... but that's cool ;) ) is also an element in the "comfort" zone.

    Sean G.
     
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    barclay card price promise is your friend
     
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    Sean

    I totally understand what your saying with regards to some of the forum sponsors. I have done quite a bit of business with NexNix and am looking to give my hard earned cash to someone who can give me "informed knowledge and support" after the sale, this is something I cannot obtain from the Panasonic centre as already discussed (but of course can here on the forums!) and therefore dont feel it should go to that Panasonic centre.

    I went on the AVLAND web site and they are 20 miles away from me so I could go and pick one up, which is essentially what I would like to do if possible.

    ALTHOUGh when on the AVLAND site I noticed the HS50 (Sony) for £1899 with a 6000:1 CR. IS that for real!

    I just dunno what to do now, I know this has been covered off before but I think I will try to hang on for a few weeks and see about demo'ing it along side the AE700.

    I am budgeting up to £2000 for the replacement PJ and if I wait til end of Nov then that could be slighly higher, but I reckon I dont need to spend more that £2k to get a good PJ to last a couple of years.

    Mpeg 10 - Dont have a BarclayCard that I am allowed to use anymore - long story and a divorce later !
    Whats the deal with that as I know others with one!

    Thanks chaps

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    tonetrainer,

    If your budget goes to £2000, then I'd definitely wait and see the HS50. Reports from Jean Paul Grubert (French Homecinema Forum, avsforum, he's a Parisienne hifi/homecinema dealer, hifissimo.com), make extremely interesting reading. He's had access to pre-production models from Sony and reckons it's in a different class to the TX100/AE700/Z3. While there were issues with the pre-production models (no surprise...), he put the HS50 on a par with the HT1100 - that says something about it's colour/blacks performance.

    Here are some quotes:

    There's lots of info out across the web about this model, expected to break cover end November/beginning December and while the current crop of 1280x720 projectors have raised the bar for entry-level projectors, it looks as though the HS50 will be a challenge in the market with performance which will rival DLP projectors at twice (and maybe more) the price. This standard with no VB would be the dealmaker, I reckon.

    For more info and pictures, Check this out , Japanese site translated by babelfish.


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    Discount tv are the only ones who I'm sure do dead pixel check. Main problem is it's too much of a trek up there. I really would like to see a demo. This was proved to me by the excellent demo service I got at Nexnix for TX100 vs HS20. Everyone here had raved about TX100 and I was ready to buy blind, but seeing it in action I wasn't quite impressed enough by the TX100. Screen door was too apparent. The AE700 gives the potential for reduced screen and the zoom gives me a flexibility that none of the other projectors in this price range (and possibly in higher ranges too) can give. This functionality negates the need for ceiling mounting for me as I will have a 5m long by 2m wide room to put it in. It doesn't look like Nexnix will be doing AE700 from what I can see. Z3 won't have smoothscreen or the same level of zoom - which is not good enough for me. I really want to demo before I buy. av-sales and avland are an easier journey and I have friends around the London area (I know avland are further out, but still an easier journey). The main problem with av-land and av-sales is that I don't know whether they will do a dead pixel check. When I called avland the guy who would know such details was away. At the time the indication seemed to be that they don't unbox the projectors. I will give them in another call in a week or two. I will say that the guy I spoke to at avland was friendly and welcoming about getting a demo and that's always encouraging. Even though these projectors are relatively cheap, it's still a lot of money for me and I don't want to buy one to find that there are dead pixels and go through all the hassle of having it sent back to be fixed/replaced - at least there is an extra level of security with the dead pixel check.
     
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    Ivojo do pixel checks, although sometimes charge for the service.
     
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    Tonetrainer,
    It was the panny centre in Plymouth. Bought my 3CCD camcorder there a few years ago. Found them very friendly and helpfull.
    Matt
     
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    Hi Chaps

    I dunno how I am gonna wait for a replacement PJ!!

    I am erring on the side of caution and think I will go and see the chaps at AVLAND as its only 20 miles away. If they will stock both the AE700 and the HS50 I think I will demo both but looking at the specs on paper its obvious which one to go for. The other one in my consideration is the Themescene H57 which falls within my price barcket (sub £2k) but having already demo'd a Infocus 4805 (another DLP) I didn't like the rainbow effect which was apparent to my eyes.

    Plymouth is too far away, as I said I am keen to buy over the counter following a demo so I will hold out.

    I spoke to Matt at NexNix who sold me my screen with remote and pronto and he said Panasonic were not doing a competitive deal for them so they would not be stocking the AE700. He suggested the Z3 as well.

    I have figured out what I want at a minimum
    1280x720 res more if possible!
    2000:1 CR at least!
    1000 Lumens at least

    The thing with Sony is that their lenses are long throw. My AE100 was 290CM from the screen and it was not on full zoom or full width (not sure how to explain) but filled my 200CM screen with no probs. If I had to relocate the bracket that is not too much of a problem but it wont go much farther back than about 50 CM increasing the throw to about 340 cm.

    Do you think this is a problem at 340cm to fill the 200cm wide screen?


    Thanks again for your POV's chaps!

    Think this thread is going Off topic a bit now!

    Tone
     
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    The HS50 won't have the same long throw lens as the HS10/20 - checking the throw-distance calculator on projectorcentral.com, you'll get a 2.0m wide screen from a throw distance of 290cm.

    I reckon it would be well worth waiting to see it.

    Sean.
     

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