Panasonic announce UB400 and UB300 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray players

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    1. Steve Withers

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      If this years new models are going to be UB300 and UB400, i cant help wondering what the UB900 replacement is going to be.
       
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      May not be one, the top range Panasonic models tend to have a longer than 12 months life span e.g BDT700.
       
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      Cant but help the UHD cause,more player :)
       
    6. Steve Withers

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      Yes, I believe that will be added to the UB900 and UB700 via a firmware update.
       
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      Lovely to see budget players, UB300 is so stripped down it can't be priced very high - and picture-wise it has all the important stuff.

      However, I am not exactly convinced by some of the purple prose... "the twin HDMI arrangement can separate audio and video signals to suppress unwanted noise and achieve high-quality audio reproduction".
       
    8. Steve Withers

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      I don't disagree on the latter, that's Panasonic's claim but I only use the one HDMI output on the UB900. Obviously the real advantage of having twin outputs is for those whose AVRs, soundbars etc. don't support HDMI 2.0a or HDCP 2.2.
       
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      Are these 'enhancements' of benefit to those without HDR displays, or am I reading this wrong?
       
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      Yes (or rather no you're not)
      Perhaps the most interesting new features on the Panasonic UB400, UB310 and UB300 are optimised HDR-to-SDR conversion and bright-room HDR presentation. With the former advancement, the Japanese brand aims to extract the extra detail found on Ultra HD Blu-ray discs, and provide a user-adjustable tone-mapping function to display them on an SDR TV with a final picture that surpasses 1080p Blu-rays in brightness and beauty.
      Panasonic UB400 & UB300 Optimise HDR for SDR TV & Bright Room

      As has been mentioned above this will also be added to the UB700 and UB900 via a future firmware update. That it is mentioned as 'new' would point to it being something else than the DRC the UB700 and UB900 already have.
       
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      I'm swithering about taking the plunge and buying the 700 now. I'm thinking the new models may not be of same quality and if the 700 gets the upgrade it's a no brainer?
       
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      Have to admit I use the twin hdmi output route on my UB900 and wouldn't go back to single output through my AVR , soundstage (atmos) is far better than my 310 through the AVR testing on John Wick. I'd also much rather not daisy chain through the AVR for UHD just for my peace of mind.

      If you have twin hdmi outs then why not use them :smashin:.
       
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      The 400 looks nice... but do any of them support subtitle vertical shift for those of us who have scope screens?!
       
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      only interested in flagship model. looks like we have to wait till 2018 for new one
       
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      Indeedy, and if it improves on the already highly competent SDR conversion then that'll be a terrific bonus. From reading between the lines it seems as if they've tweaked their conversion LUTs as part of this 2017 refresh, and they'll carry it over to existing models via firmware (which kinda hints at the 300 and 400 sharing the same decoding silicon as their bigger brothers). Which is nice.

      The 700 and 900 will shift subtitles, and it's highly likely that the 300 and 400 will do the same thing.
       
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      Ah that's good :) Do the 700 and 900 only shift subtitles for UHD BD, or for normal BD as well? The 400 might have to replace my DMP-BDT360 if I can find a multi-region one for a good price.
       
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      Yes, they can shift subs for all disc sources that have player generated subs, it's not a new thing for Panasonic players but it goes largely unheralded because people think only OPPO players can do it.
       
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      Well it must be fairly new as my DMP-BDT360 (a couple of years old) can't do it - unless I've missed it somewhere in the menus - so I'm just glad manufacturers are finally realising not everyone uses a 16:9 screem :)
       
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      Yes, it's not on every player, only the ones that use Panasonic's Uniphier chip rather than an off-the-shelf MediaTek solution. As far back as 2012 the Panny's carried this feature on the BDT120/220/320 line, but a year or two after that they changed for the cheaper chips and the subtitle shift went with it. But on the BDT700 and its UHD big brothers UB700/900 the Uniphier was back again, and so was the subtitle shiftery.
       
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      Ah that makes sense. Fingers crossed the new UB400 definitely has the Uniphier chip then!
       
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      Very disappointing announcement. When they said they were announcing 3 more players I thought it would be a completely new range aimed at the top, middle and bottom of the market and replacing the current 900 flagship model with a newer model with better PQ and a lower price to make it both beat and compete against the Oppo. Instead it appears we have a range of cheaper players instead. I guess nothing to see here therefore from Panny for enthusiasts.
       
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      But surely cheaper players are a good thing? Driving down the cost of the hardware, getting greater market saturation by getting the players in peoples homes and creating a bigger market for the discs so we get to see more of them.
       
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      And who the hell needs "better PQ" than the 900? A couple of guys on here say it's actually BETTER than the OPPO in that respect anyway! Admittedly it could do with some more finesse in other areas but it's a superb disc spinner and doesn't need updating that aspect for the sake of it.
       
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      How can you improve perfection ;)
      For those who want it you can stick a UB1000 label on the apparently now obselete UB900 and bring it up to flagship 2017 spec. Only costs £200..
       
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      My 900 didn't come with any stickers attached anyway, I always thought I was missing out. :D
       
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      Yes it is. But do we really need 3 budget players when the Oppo out specs the top Panasonic? Sure;y it would make sense to bring out a new flagship player that betters the Oppo, and then a mid range and a budget player to give a spread of market coverage. As it is, I see little reason to buy the top Panny once Oppo sort their alleged firmware issues out.
       
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      At the end of the day who do you think are going to sell more? OPPO or manufacturers with models at many different price points to suit all pockets.

      Nothing alleged about the OPPO firmware issues, it's a matter of fact ;)
       
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      I'm not arguing about the economics of having cheaper players. As I said above it makes perfect sense to have players in the top, middle and bottom segments of the market. What doesn't make sense (to me) is to bring out 3 budget players and no new flagship, when your flagship which is priced around the same as the Oppo, but fails to beat the Oppo (at least on audio, and arguably picture) according to some reports on here. The latter to me indicates 1 of 2 things: Either you leave the very top of the market to enthusiasts manufacturers such as Oppo, in which case you need a clear price difference eg £450 vs £649, or you choose to compete and leave your price the same but up the spec. After all, who is going to to buy the Panasonic for £600, when the Oppo is £649 and better in some areas? I'd hazard a guess that anyone willing to spend £600 on a BluRay player is someone who both wants and can afford the best, and for the sake of an extra £49, is not going to forego the difference in performance. Only those struggling to afford £600 in the 1st place, might consider compromising in that situation.
       
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      In what ways does the Oppo outperform the Panasonic? I've heard of motion judder issues and handshake issues on the Oppo, but I've not heard anything bad about the Panasonic so far.

      I welcome cheaper players. Let's be honest, the picture and sound quality is going to be identical (how can it be anything but, being a digital signal?) and cheaper prices just means fewer redundant features for the vast majority of buyers. How many people will actually use the analog outputs on the UB900, for example? A small percentage I bet.

      I'd rather have a player with few bells and whistles; I just want it to play any disc I throw at it, support subtitle shift (I can't understand why so few players have this feature) and spit out the video and audio tracks on the disc as-is. I don't even want "smart" capabilities or wi-fi! :)
       

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