napp
Established Member
Hello,
if you browse (and I'm sure you do) this forum you can read various reports from people who already own and use the Panasonic 6-series plasma displays.
I just wonder how such different messages (I'm going to paste and copy some here) can live together and be true at the same time. I want to understand that because I'm a potential Panasonic 6 buyer.
"bond007" users recently wrote :
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I did notice last night that my image was slightly brighter at the top (not very noticable and was larger than 2cm and did move to the side at one point, most likely related to another prob described below), which is yet another problem i have notice with this damn plasma, I really dont like it, I feel its the worst thing i have ever bought. At the start, when i got it, started watching dvds, thought god this looks good, but cable looks crap, but thought, hey thats the crap bit rate they have on the channels not the plasma, but then a few hours after using the plasma I noticed more problems, such as colour banding, I again didnt think it was the plasma, was down to the mpeg2 compression techniques, but decided to try and put my mind at rest, so plugged my PC in, and opened photoshop and did some gradients, red to white, looked fine, inverted the colours, banding appears, and incorrect colour placement between the bands, tried it with other colours, all the same.
So I tried other devices too, just to make sure, all were the same, so a friend posted on forums for me, other people said plasmas do have a small amount of banding and if you dont look for it you will not see it. Well I see it on every DVD I watch, without actually looking for it, as it is sometimes so obvious, a large block of colour joined to another of a different colour. (2 dvds i have seen in the last day that show really bad banding in parts are spiderman and insomnia, especially in the foggy scenes in insomnia and really bad in the scene when spiderman is taken by the hob goblin).
I reported these to panasonic, after a bit of a run around between the shop and panasonic (which they said they have never heard of this before on the plasma) and the shop saying they can see the problem, panasonic told me to compare it with one in shop, and it was exactly the same. So I talked to the manager of the shop (panasonic shop) and he decided to write a letter to panasonic (yet to hear anything yet from that).
I came home and watched another movie and what happens, another god damn problem with the image (which I have yet to verify with testing on other images) is that in the credits of a film, I could see that top being a little brighter and then as the credits started to roll, these horizontal green lines each 1 pixel thick and around half the size of the width of the screen at the top started to appear, fickering and scolling in the top left of the screen around 5 or 6 of them. All this on top of the above and also that what ever is displayed in one section of the screen changes the rest, ie, one section becomes brighter, the other bits of the screen go darker (like what would happen if there is a crap PSU in a CRT) and also use the OSD and that affects the screen too, everything horizontally from that interface becomes affected slightly, becomes darker or lighter in different sections. And the dithering in the blacks, which I can live with but why dither only the blacks if the rest of the colours cant be displayed correctly too.
For the money, I would have hoped for a little better than a display that does appear to even fulfil its spec sheet, ie 10bit (1024 shades) colour per channel (30bit colour, 1.07billion colours) which is more like 5bit per channel.
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On the contrary, "blue_tarragon" user wrote :
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Incredible - my new Panny 6 is incredible!
I wasn't prepared for this. All my kit connected to the Panny 6 is heaven. I don't think my eyes could see a better image. The attached photo doesn't even do it justice.
Thank you Plasma!
plus :
I sit 7ft to 8ft away and you cannot see any pixel structure at all. (I have perfect eyesight - over 20/20)
Simply the best image possible. I seriously cannot believe it myself.
The picture is perfect.
I cannot see how technology could make my eyes see a better image.
All kit (DVD, CD, Xbox, PS2, Sky etc) is going via RGB scart, optical cables and a Quattro+ RGB switcher box.
I cannot describe the image!!!!!!
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and "GAmbrose" user wrote :
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I connected my DVD player direct to the PC port and the picture is clean as a whistle...and damn if this TV isn't the best AV piece of equipment i've ever bought.
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WELL, I think we have to investigate about these conficting reports.
Thanks,
napp
if you browse (and I'm sure you do) this forum you can read various reports from people who already own and use the Panasonic 6-series plasma displays.
I just wonder how such different messages (I'm going to paste and copy some here) can live together and be true at the same time. I want to understand that because I'm a potential Panasonic 6 buyer.
"bond007" users recently wrote :
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I did notice last night that my image was slightly brighter at the top (not very noticable and was larger than 2cm and did move to the side at one point, most likely related to another prob described below), which is yet another problem i have notice with this damn plasma, I really dont like it, I feel its the worst thing i have ever bought. At the start, when i got it, started watching dvds, thought god this looks good, but cable looks crap, but thought, hey thats the crap bit rate they have on the channels not the plasma, but then a few hours after using the plasma I noticed more problems, such as colour banding, I again didnt think it was the plasma, was down to the mpeg2 compression techniques, but decided to try and put my mind at rest, so plugged my PC in, and opened photoshop and did some gradients, red to white, looked fine, inverted the colours, banding appears, and incorrect colour placement between the bands, tried it with other colours, all the same.
So I tried other devices too, just to make sure, all were the same, so a friend posted on forums for me, other people said plasmas do have a small amount of banding and if you dont look for it you will not see it. Well I see it on every DVD I watch, without actually looking for it, as it is sometimes so obvious, a large block of colour joined to another of a different colour. (2 dvds i have seen in the last day that show really bad banding in parts are spiderman and insomnia, especially in the foggy scenes in insomnia and really bad in the scene when spiderman is taken by the hob goblin).
I reported these to panasonic, after a bit of a run around between the shop and panasonic (which they said they have never heard of this before on the plasma) and the shop saying they can see the problem, panasonic told me to compare it with one in shop, and it was exactly the same. So I talked to the manager of the shop (panasonic shop) and he decided to write a letter to panasonic (yet to hear anything yet from that).
I came home and watched another movie and what happens, another god damn problem with the image (which I have yet to verify with testing on other images) is that in the credits of a film, I could see that top being a little brighter and then as the credits started to roll, these horizontal green lines each 1 pixel thick and around half the size of the width of the screen at the top started to appear, fickering and scolling in the top left of the screen around 5 or 6 of them. All this on top of the above and also that what ever is displayed in one section of the screen changes the rest, ie, one section becomes brighter, the other bits of the screen go darker (like what would happen if there is a crap PSU in a CRT) and also use the OSD and that affects the screen too, everything horizontally from that interface becomes affected slightly, becomes darker or lighter in different sections. And the dithering in the blacks, which I can live with but why dither only the blacks if the rest of the colours cant be displayed correctly too.
For the money, I would have hoped for a little better than a display that does appear to even fulfil its spec sheet, ie 10bit (1024 shades) colour per channel (30bit colour, 1.07billion colours) which is more like 5bit per channel.
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On the contrary, "blue_tarragon" user wrote :
---
Incredible - my new Panny 6 is incredible!
I wasn't prepared for this. All my kit connected to the Panny 6 is heaven. I don't think my eyes could see a better image. The attached photo doesn't even do it justice.
Thank you Plasma!
plus :
I sit 7ft to 8ft away and you cannot see any pixel structure at all. (I have perfect eyesight - over 20/20)
Simply the best image possible. I seriously cannot believe it myself.
The picture is perfect.
I cannot see how technology could make my eyes see a better image.
All kit (DVD, CD, Xbox, PS2, Sky etc) is going via RGB scart, optical cables and a Quattro+ RGB switcher box.
I cannot describe the image!!!!!!
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and "GAmbrose" user wrote :
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I connected my DVD player direct to the PC port and the picture is clean as a whistle...and damn if this TV isn't the best AV piece of equipment i've ever bought.
---
WELL, I think we have to investigate about these conficting reports.
Thanks,
napp