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Panasonic 500 Series Hi Def STUNNING !!!

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by Dave Gray, May 28, 2005.

  1. Dave Gray

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    :eek: I had the good fortune to see a Viera TH-37PV500 running Hi def clips yesterday. All of you wanting to know how good this baby is with Hi Def wait no more. It is unbelievable!
    The Panasonic rep had just set up the screen with a hard disc unit running thru some sort of satellite box via component cables (not HDMI). This hard drive unit had a couple of hours worth of clips on it, all 1080i but the screen scales it to 720p.
    I have never seen a picture as clear and three dimensional as i saw on that screen. The blacks are fantastic, the colours are stunningly rich the brightness amazing. I saw lots of hi def stuff at the Bristol show a couple of months ago, the huge Pioneer plasma demo was particularly impressive, but the picture on the new Panny was way better in my opinion.
    I cant wait to see the 42" version in action with the same clips but the 2 42" screens Downing & Downings in Stourbridge have had so far have both gone straight out to customers. I think they are offering 10 months interest free on the screen to entice people. I cant remember how much they are asking sorry, I cant afford it yet but I'm saving hard.
    Be warned, if you are serious about one of these puppies and your credit card is in your pocket it will be hammered!
    I love my 42" PW4 but its days are now numbered.
    God I wish I had one to watch Liverpools night of glory on!
    CHAMPIONS OF EUROPE!!!!! :clap: :clap: :clap:
     
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    You were luckier than me - my main TV went kaput months ago (waiting now for a plasma) and my 14" portable went kaput about an hour before the big match - so I missed out on Liverpool's triumph.

    I like the look of the 500, but may still wait a week or two to have a look at the new Samsung (when or if it appears)
     
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    Dave

    Watching Liverpool on my newly aquired 50" was sensational - even on SD. I still cant beleive we did it and i just got back from da 'Pool too! Amazing.

    The only thing you have to think on is that as the screens get bigger you wont get neccessarily get the same level of PQ as on the 37 model - judge each size on its own merits - and tbh... unless your'e paying top whack for larger screens ...PQ may not be as good as you think!

    Defects and digital artefacting are more easily seen as you go up the size ladder.
     
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    I can well imagine that the difference between a 37 and 50 would be clearly noticeable. Is this likely to be true of 37 and 42 (of the same model?)
     
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    Not trying to burst your bubble but isn't that a 1024x768 resolution plasma?

    If you like that model then you'd really like one of their 1366x768 models. Here's one: http://www2.panasonic.com/webapp/wc...Id=24973&surfCategory=Plasma TVs&displayTab=S

    Really gorgeous pictures. Probably the best I've seen in that range, even compared to Sony and Pioneer.
     
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    37PV500 is 1024X720
     
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    Fantastic news.

    I`m looking forward to buy the 37-PV500... so your experience is really helpful for me! *Can´t wait* :smashin:
     
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    Had a look at the 42pv500 today in the shop@panasonic in Cheltenham today. Got to agree the Hi-Def clip they showed from some japanese hard disk player was stunning. Didn't see it showing bog standard Sky though which would have been interesting as that's what I'll be watching on it until a hi-def service is launched.
     
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    Yesterday I saw the 42" in the Panasonic shop in Hitchin - hooked up to the same high def hard drive. Connected via component to the 42-PV500. The pictures were a range of sports, travel, city-sights, night scenes etc. obviously made to show off the high def PQ.

    These were the most stunning PQs I have ever seen on any TV. Alongside a PE50 the 2 were incomparable. Certainly made my mind up about the need to go the HD route!

    The SD feed pics (freeview) were OK, but I thought there was a bit of noise - but it was comparable to the SD TV pic.

    I only wish they hadn't stuck all that shiny black surround to hide the speakers, but rather gone for detachables, as the TV is HUGE. Knew the dimensions on paper, but when you see it, and then think about that monster taking up almost all the space in your living room, I think that the 37" is back on the agenda!

    Question for all you is whether the 37" has problems being 1380x720 (I think - know the no. of lines is less than the 42")?

    Interestingly, I asked the salesman about when the G8 panel will be sold, and he said that I could ask the "man himself" - the Panny rep was there in the shop at the time, and he said that they were NOT producing a PW8 domestic panel, and would only be producing a commercial/business panel with HD and the G8 panel. He said that this would radiate more than is acceptable for a domestic product, and would more than likely interfere with any other electronic equipment in the vacinity. Thats why Panasonic were not going to sell it other than to business purchasers. And he confirmed that this would be on sale in September.

    Anyone know whether his warnings are valid issues, or is this the same with the PHD7?

    :confused:
     
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    Utter Rubbish PAnasonic consumer have just decided to sell TV's not panels they think this is a step forward, Ultimately it means they will loose revenue and there is absolutely no need for any CI dealers to bother with panny consumer any more.
    Alot of people will look at the PV500 and say "I wish i copuld take the speakers off" and "If only i could have 2 component inputs" etc the PHD8 will have all of this!
     
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    Dillz - Interesting as I visited the same place earlier in the week and they hadn't got the HD disc player at that time. It still looked good on non HD DVD's. They were asking £3000 with the fancy stand, DVD recorder and a 5 year guarantee.

    I will have to make another visit.
     
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    That's what I thought. So unfortunately you are not seeing minimal HD quality with that set.
     
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    no 42" or smaller plasma has 1280x720 res as far as i know..........50" minimum 13366x768 and 1280x768
     
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    Does this mean that the 42" with 768 lines will give a better PQ than 37" with 720 in HD?

    I personally don't think I will have the patience to wait for the PHD8, which although will be a cleaner panel without the extra stuff I don't need, will probably cost more than the current PV500.

    My wife would definitely prefer the panel, and can wait (no need for instant gratification there . . . ) but I have been having thoughts about looking at the new Samsung PS42S5H HiDef TV as something to consider if the size of the PV500 is a no-no. Anyone any opinions?

    My wife likes the look of the Hitachi 42PD7200, but I have read so much in this forum that seems to indicate the Hitachi vs rest-of-the-world divide that I am nervous to consider what so many consider a flawed screen. And I have not seen the 7200 in HD yet, but did notice that blacks were not great with SD PQs.

    As HD says - "if only the PV500 had detachable speakers . . ."
     
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    If any of the two is better than the other, then it should be the 37" because it has an physical resolution of 720 lines, thus no scaling should happen here. The 42" has to scale the lines from 720 (input) to 768 (physical).

    As I said, you probably won´t see any difference between scaled and not scaled, but in theory, the original 720 lines should be better because it has to be scaled anyways. (if you have, say 768 lines)
     
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    THE PHD7 is available............or as the PWD7 is now under £1300 with mount why not buy SD now and wait 12 months for PHD8 to be under £2k Pio MXE is now under £2k (£1800 at RS)
     
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    Panasonic commisioned a white paper on plasma and in terms of resolution it said
    "Resolution: PDPs are essentially large screen displays. It is easier to design for optimal performance in displays with relatively large pixels. The slow definition and adoption of HDTV standards in most countries has led to a strong demand for wide-screen TVs with only 480 lines. These are usually called Enhanced Definition (ED) panels. As HDTV content becomes more readily available, the demand for true HDTV will increase, requiring at least 720 lines. 42” PDPs with 720 lines are now on the market and are expected to rapidly gain share from ED panels due to demand for HD compatibility and a narrowing price gap between 42” HD and ED TVs. Through next generation DVDs with 1920 x 1080 or 1080p capability, there is a growing interest in applying this format to PDPs. Currently, this format is not available in PDPs until 71” and it is said that narrowing the dot pitch in PDPs can reduce yields, efficiency and brightness while increasing costs. However, PDPs were previously used to produce 25” SXGA desktop monitors, thus, narrower dot pitches have been produced in the past and PDP suppliers are now developing 1080p solutions at smaller sizes. As a result, we expect to see 1080p resolutions available in PDP TVs as demand for this format grows."

    Abit said"That's what I thought. So unfortunately you are not seeing minimal HD quality with that set"
    well to get a HD ready logo in europe you only need 720 physical lines so yes it is minimal HD quality.

    Panasonic consumer have got things very right with the new models and very wrong with not pushing panels only as well.

    Custom installers will not bother with consumer models (apart from second sets or cheap solutions)as the best installs are without the crappy built in sound compared to proper systems and because panels only have a history of working better with scalers.It is a different product and not just a TV which is what the PV50 and PV500 are.

    I have argued for a while that Panasonic should have a higher brand (just as hitachi has the director and pioneer has elite series or Toyota for that matter has lexus) for more specialist higher end products designed for home consumers and the Technics brand name is Ideal for such products.
     
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    Matsush*ta do do this in the US with Onyx branded gear I europe they seem to have left panasonic run along and kept JVC back, Perhaps Technics will be Onyx but i think they killed technics as a brand long ago with cheapo HiFis, Reverse badge engineering!
     
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    yeah HD i agree but it still holds a bit of cred as a brand name (1210's and all that) but Onyx is as good as anything.
    They really do need to go for both base consumer and custom install markets (i think all manufacturers should)
    It wont be long before LG,Samsung or such will listen to what the custom install market wants and go in full guns blazing.

    Going back to the PV500 it's interesting that a PW4 owner has commented that its much better are cheaper built plasmas finaly pushing that performance envelope?
     
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    Just went to see this in the same shop today. They had it on the HD HDD unit showing HiDef stuff and it was amazing!!! I asked them to show me a SD DVD and DVB. They said they did not have a feed to show DVB, but he plugged in a DVD and it was still very impressive.

    As soon as I know the best price for these and I can sell my TH42PW6, I think I'll be popping back into Cheltenham to get one if they can do a good deal.

    Their deal was £2999 for the 42" CAB version, with 5 year guarentee and free DVD recorder. I'm sure this price is negotiable/price matchable though.
     
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    I went into the Panasonic store in Colchester on wednesday. They had the 37 inch model running clips of 2 girls having a good time in a fairytale Germany I think. All HD but when I looked round the back, it was going in via component.

    I am a graphic designer by trade. I know that home entertainment mags and fans of the stuff sometimes rave about picture quality on certain televisions. I have to be brutally honest with these people; compared to the reference monitors I use at work the picture quality on just about every tv ever made is simply appalling. Until now. This 37 inch Panasonic on HD delivered picture quality that was simply breathtaking. It was like watching photoshop imagery move, it was that good. I will be ordering one when I get a chance this week.
     
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    Though, the screens running at 1366x768 clearly do give a better HD picture for 1080i.
     
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    The minimum resolution for HD is 1280x720, not 1024x720.
     
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    I also watch HD on my computer monitor and I had to comment, as I do quite a bit of photo editing, and I have also used such a description to describe HD to those who have not experienced it. Sometimes they then ask "what's Photoshop?" In that case I say "nevermind."
     
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    I've been in the Cheltenham store on a number of occasions and they're quite willing to price match - but push home the fact that their price includes the guarantee and, in order to match a lower price, it's not always the case that they could still honour the 5 year guarantee. Not sure how low they'd go, though, but business is business so who knows?!!
     
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    If that's the case then I'd rather go to JL as they will price match and throw in a 5 year guarentee no problem. Would be handy to get it from Cheltenham though rather than going down to Bristol or up to Solihull.
     
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    There is a John Lewis electrical in the Cheltenham Waitrose Superstore so you could try there SJ. I will go and have a look at the HD demonstration this next week.
     
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    The man speaks sense ............then PHD9.. and the beat goes on
     
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    Oh yes, forgot about that one. Cheers...
     
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    Can someone measure their screen and give me the dimensions please?
    Looking at getting the 42" PV500 and having been in Comet etc locally and measured similar models, the width is around 48" which just fits in my bedroom.
    Not sure if this includes side speakers on an older model or what.

    Also, if you wall mount, how far off the wall does it stick out?
    Still undecided whether to stick it on the wall and have a component rack for my amp etc or stick the plasma on a tv stand.
     

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