I'm looking for a MiniDV camcorder and really don't want to spend loads on my first one. I had a budget of £200 but the three 1mentioned above can be had from £200 to £240 which is my limit. Both these camcorders have the same amount of features but I must confess I'm unsure as to all thier uses. The features I'm really not sure about are DV-in and optical zoom. I can't quite work which is best 25X or 20X. As for DV-in from performing searches on here I've concluded that its more for transferring edited footage from PC eventually to VCR. However, I had thought I'd put the footage onto DVD through the PC. Its really only going to be for special occasions and trips out etc. Whether it needs all the bells and whistles I'm not sure to be honest. The JVC seems to have a few more features than the Panasonic and Sony and I have to say I can't see much difference between Panasonic and the Sony. Any help much appreciated as its alot harder than I thought to choose a camcorder!