PAL vs NTSC dvds - which do you prefer?

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  1. zamwessell

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    I have mostly NTSC dvds in my collection mainly due to the fact they are usually released earlier in USA and Canada.

    Which do most people prefer?

    PAL dvds provide a better image in my opinion but the film frame rate is increased resulting also in a faster audio track which is more noticable than the video.

    I think if i had never heard the films in NTSC format then i wouldn't notice the increase at all
     
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    I get NTSC DVDs for two reasons:

    1. Speed of release (not always true, but mostly).

    2. Uncut by the absolutely splendid fellows of the BBFC.

    If neither is applicable I'm quite happy with a PAL version too.

    Regards

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  3. zamwessell

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    I usually get NTSC for the same reasons but i use www.dvdcompare.net to check for cuts to PAL releases.
     
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    i usually get ntsc movies (video based material is a different story) for the speed and pitch reasons. i do also check online which is the best/uncut version as in some cases the pal r2 is better. for music based movies i'll prettymuch always want the ntsc as the speedup is very annoying

    i do challenge anyone to be able to tell the difference between pal and ntsc visual wise on a paused frame on a like for like basis. the difference is only 17% more lines on pal, which is maybe 13% more lines on a 2:2.40 movie. on a decent prog scan setup the jerkiness of 3/2 pulldown can be virtually eliminated

    i don't mind picking up pal movies cheap in the sales when they are £5, but when paying full price for a new release i want my movie to be faithful to the original release, and not sped up with the pacing and timing of the movie altered, and dialogue sounding unnatural, and music altered. by changing the pitch on background/incidental score you can change the mood of the peice. the change of pacing to the movie can wreck not only dramatic pauses, but comedy timing


    thankfully HD formats make the choice of ntsc/pal a lot simpler
     
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    i prefer PAL because my dvd player has interference lines rolling up the screen when i play an NTSC dvd.. and the denon 1920 reviews were actually good for some reason! Personally i think it's kinda rubbish.
     
  6. zamwessell

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    By 3/2 pulldown,do you mean the judder effect you get when there are slow pans in NTSC movies?

    Look at the remake the Hills Have Eyes NTSC at about 38mins when there is a slow pan across some hills and then into a mine shaft...it's nearly unwatchable.

    Even on my Arcam DV137 in 1080p it is still horrid.
     
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    I always go for the one which dvdcompare states is the best.
     
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    yup the judder

    btw, are you sure your arcam is 1080 P and not 1080 I - thats interlaced rather than progressive? and do you have a 1080p or even 1080i screen? have you tried watching at 480p or even upscaled to 720p? it could be the upscaling thats making things worse

    i don't have the hills have eyes, that movie is unwatchable to me no matter how well it's mastered :D those horror flicks aren't my cup of tea
     
  9. zamwessell

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    Yes i can set the Arcam to 1080p and run it via HDMI to my Sony 46x2000 which displays 1080p via HDMI.The screen states it is accepting 1080p.

    1080p does look better than 480p and 720p.

    The picture is fantastic...it nearly looks as good as SKY-HD movies but with NTSC movies i still get judder.

    I am going to take a look at the Denon A1XVA to see how it handles NTSC although i know both players use the same scaler board but the Denon looks like it may have other features that could result in a smoother image.

    It's probably partly due to the panel also,i am hoping to test both players on the Pioneer P5000EX.
     
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    I go for PAL whenever possible for the best picture.
    But R1 will win out if the UK version is cut,released a long while later or overpriced.
    I recently rebought the 60's Outer Limits boxes just to get PAL quality.
    But I bought the Star Trek Movie 2 disc editions as they were available for under £7 from a Canadian site.R2 was even £17.99 on release date at PLAY.
    Of course any movie with BBFC interference is an automatic write off.
     
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    Really don't mind, whatever is cheap usually LOL!
     
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    I always check some reviews and comparison first before ordering a given title. Sometimes it´s a draw, and sometimes it´s either R1 or R2 that wins.

    In the end my descision is always based on best image, sound, extras, and price.
     
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    If its an old film I try to buy the best version and I use DVD Beaver/DVD Compare to help me decide. If there isn't a decent reason not to I tend to go for the R3 release as its usually cheaper.

    If its a new film that I've been waiting for I'll usually go for the first version available unless I know there is going to be a directors cut or other enhanced edition in the works.
     
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    do you have a 72hz mode on the tv? my pio does and that eliminates the 3/2 pulldown by displaying 24fps on ntsc film material (it strips out the unecessary fields). i would also try it on 480p or other settings for ntsc in case that gets rid of it
     
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    To be fair to the BBFC, they have vastly improved over what they were like 5-10 years ago.
     
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    Only because the late unlamented James Ferman was booted out 8 years ago.
    His archaic views spoilt movie collectors chances of getting uncut films in the UK for over 20 years via cinema and Video.
    As soon as he got booted off ,Texas Chainsaw,The Exorcist and a number of other films he personally kept out of UK shops since 1984 were quickly released uncut .
    Good riddance
     
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    I recently decided to start buying NTSC movies and when i compare them to are Pal versions the difference is quite noticeable. However the average person in the street will not see/hear the difference, so many people do not bother importing NTSC movies (i didnt until 3 months ago). I only buy NTSC movies that i really want though. not just any movie either i always look for the differences in the versions online before hand.

    Sat
     
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    Depends on the price primarily, although i'll always check to see if one region has an advantage - DTS, more extras etc. So if the R1 disc had an extra commentary but was twice the price i'd leave it, but if it had a DTS track the R2 didn't then i'd wait for the R1 to drop in price.

    I probably have more R1 than R2 because I bought like 300 from dvd soon, R2 has been catching up lately as now there is nowhere to get ultra cheap R1 movies from though I still get the odd few - mainly tv boxsets.
     
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    When I was at Wolverhampton University about 6 years ago, in the film studies course we had a Q & A session with a couple of people from the BBFC, and I got into a really heated discussion about film censorship.

    Let's put it this way: I handed their ass to them on a silver platter. :smashin:

    As for PAL vs NTSC - I've always like the picture quality of PAL, but the sound of NTSC (because of the non-stretching). Yeah, I'm weird. :suicide:

    But, on a side-note. How come the sound quality on NTSC DVD's sound more natural compared to PAL, when PAL is running at 25fps, and NTSC is at 30fps, considering that film is projected at 24fps?
     
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    Many dvd players/recorders have their NTSC output preset as PAL 60 which will degrade the picture.
    If you can find the option check NTSC is being output as NTSC 3.58.
    Although NTSC is 30FPS technical reasons see it ending up on screen at the same rate as film 24fps
     
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    It's because NTSC uses 3:2 pulldown to convert the 24fps to NTSC's frame rate of 30fps.
     
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    Thats why I said "technical reasons".
    Its pretty doubtful that mentioning 3:2 pulldown will make things any clearer
     
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    IMO I don't think that's the only reason, although it did make a massive difference.

    And to be fair to the late Mr Ferman, he only left after saying that he thought hardcore porn should be legalised, so it could be regulated. In the end - broadly speaking - that's what has happened.
     
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    Sorry, technical or otherwise this is the reason. Can't quite understand your point. If you don't understand 3:2 pulldown you are on the wrong forum mate.;)
     
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    I for one aint got the faintest idea what people are on about when they start harping on about 3:2 pulldown :rolleyes:
     
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    i used to think 3:2 pulldown was what geeks did when they watched buffy on dvd

    now i know it's what geeks use to engage in meaninful conversation

    :D
     
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    Not this old chestnut... tell you what ..explain why...and when you can't will you stop posting this little unfact. Thought we had stamped this out years ago.
     
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    Or you could just tick the little "PAL Truspeed" box on your MCPC and have all your PAL Dvds running at the correct pitch.
    That won't help uncensor them though.
     
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    What is your problem?
    This is FACT.
    Panasonic recorders and players of a certain vintage have their NTSC output set to PAL 60.
    I know,I had one.
    And if you wanted to watch an NTSC dvd in NTSC,you needed to change the tv sytem setting to NTSC which disables PAL recording.
    I am not saying this is true of current models but it certainly was a coupe of years ago.
    And I have tried out many friends budget dvd players and without exception,all the budget supermarket junk is preset to PAL 50 or 60 and you need to enter the setup menu to change it to AUTO.
    Good enough for you?
    However,if you are just referring to the part where I say "degrades the picture" then I would say that if you prefer NTSC output in PAL 60 then thats your opinion and you are welcome to it.
    Personally,I prefer to see NTSC without judder
     
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    The only reason hardcore was legalised was due to an appeal from a video company(after Ferman's departure) who put to the BBFC appeals committee that straight "normal " sex was not harmful and they agreed.
    At that point the BBFC were forced by default to rewrite the rules on what was allowed.
    However,check out the BBFC site and see that the vast majority of R18 titles are still cut
     

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