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PAL Progressive Scan DVD Player

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by sapper, May 20, 2003.

  1. sapper

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    Sorry if I am out of touch, but I have been abroad for several weeks, so if this is a sily question, please accept my apologies.

    I am a proud owner of a Pioneer 433 MXE Plasma screen.

    I am looking to purchase a PAL Prgressive DVD player, such as the Arcam DV88+, the Philips 963SA or the Harmen Karden model.


    also the Dennons but they seem to have problems. What about the new Denon 2900?

    What other models are there at the moemnt which are capable of PAL Progressive scan, albeit with a modification?

    Can any one recomend a player. I have had the DV88+ on a home demo, and whicst it was a lovely machine, im not sure if it is worth the £1000 asking price.



    Any feed back most accepted and appreciated

    Adrian
     
  2. JamesTapp

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    Sapper,

    The iScan Ultra has just taken a tumble on price, less than 600 quid and then you get progressive on multiple sources including cable. It also has the Chroma filter...

    Of course, that is assuming you are happy with the output of your current player.:D

    James
     
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    There's also the NAD T562 ... was actually the second (officially)PAL Prog Scan capable DVD player (after the Arcam) to be avaliable and doesn't need any adaptations.
     
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    And there is also the Primare v25.
    PAL ps and multiregion with a simple handset hack. Sounds great with CD. And a lot of outputs ...
     
  5. Gary Lightfoot

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    I wouldn't reccomend the Philips 963, as they are plagued with problems. You'll be lucky to get one without issues (I didn't).

    The Harmon Kardon DVD25 gets very good review both from magazines and current owners, so that's the one I'd plump for right now.

    There are a few new players coming out soon thogh - the new Sony 930 has PAL PS and a 12bit 108mhz DAC like the Pioneer 757, so that could be the machine to wait for - out July/August though:

    http://www.avland.co.uk/sony/dvpns930/index.htm

    HTH

    Gary.
     
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    the panasonic S75 is NTSC PS not sure about PAL
    PS what is panasonic doing selling NTSC PS machine in the UK? Is it MR from the manufacturer?
     
  7. Gary Lightfoot

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    That does seem like a good machine - similar spec to teh Tosh 520 by the looks of it. I'm quite tempted myself due to the price, but I'm going to wait a few months and see what else turns up.

    It's probably only NTSC PS (like the 520), but I can only guess it may be for NTSC region 0 disks? I think they play on any machine from any region.

    Even so, it does seem pointless advertising something that is mostly unusable in the UK unless you know that it may appeal to those who will get the machine made multi-region.

    AFAIK, all the top name manufacturers try to adhere to the region coding, so most of the machines need to be chipped, and cannot be handset hacked (though some Tosh's can be firmware upgraded via cd).

    Gary.
     
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    The Arcam DV88+ has a "handset hack" to watch non-R2 discs.
     
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    Im waiting to see both the Tosh 530 and Sony 930 before I buy my next player for prog scan (projector useage)

    Should be out in 2 or 3 months...
     
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    "The iScan Ultra has just taken a tumble on price[snip]"

    How does the quality of "DVD to iScan Ultra over component" compare to an all digital internal progressive solution? I'm assuming the component connection will have gone through D/A and then A/D in the iScan?

    Any way to automate 30/72 and 50/75Hz switching in the deinterlacer?

    I think this is becoming really interesting with mainstream 32/36 inch tellies arriving with progressive enabled component inputs, as well as the established plasma panels.

    Judging from how good scaled progressive looks on a 7ft screen, I would have thought true progressive scan on a 36 incher would look very, very clean.

    thanks and regards,
    Rob.
     
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    I am lucky my 963 works perfectly :)
    If it's faulty you can always send it back.
     
  12. Gary Lightfoot

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    Mine was, so I did! :)

    After reading about all the other people who had problems with theirs (a huge thread over at avsforum), I decided not to take a chance with it. The one I got had been opened and used already by the looks of it, so I assume someone else had already returned it.

    Like Captain Chaos, I'm going to wait and see what the new Sony looks like, and what else will turn up over the next few months.

    Gary.
     
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    Hey Gary, I just noticed you on DVD Times forum.

    I'll be first in line for the Sony 930 if its a good un'.
     
  14. Gary Lightfoot

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    I'm very interested in the machine - it has a similar DAC to the Pioneer 757, and that produces a great picture by all accounts, and at only £270, the Sony looks like a steal.

    I just hope it works OK and doesn't have any issues like many players seem to have now.

    Gary.
     
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    Actually Gary, I was just thinking. Why would the Sony 930 be both PAL and NTSC prog scan, when the model above it the 999 isn't.
    The 999 is only NTSC prog scan... :thumbsdow
     
  16. Gary Lightfoot

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    AVlands description says that it is:

    http://www.avland.co.uk/sony/dvpns999/index.htm

    Sonys' web site doesn't even show the 930, only the 905, so no more info there either....

    As you said though, they don't say PAL progressive either.

    Will have to wait for some reviews maybe..

    Gary.
     
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    So if you purchased a machine from AV Land and it wasn't PAL prog, are they not breaking the advertising standards laws?
     
  18. Gary Lightfoot

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    It's probably a genuine mistake if it isn't PAL PS, and they're a reasonable company to deal with, so there shouldn't be any problems if someone bought one and it was incorrectly advertised.

    If there's any doubtI'd, I'd be inclined to phone up and ask if they know for definate before buying one .

    Gary.
     
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    mmmmm

    Thanks for your help guys, but I am more confused then ever.

    Perhaps time, and patience is my ally at the moment.....

    And gives me the oppurtunity to save more cah.....

    SApper
     
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    About the 999, the 930 and the 730...

    I found this:
    http://www.sony-europe.com/presscenter/PressShow.x?articleid=922

    "Three new players with Precision Cinema Progressive are being launched this summer and they cater for a range of needs and budgets. They can be linked to any PAL progressive capable display, and Sony has a range of LCD and plasma screens that have this capability."
     
  21. Gary Lightfoot

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    Oooh - nice find. :)

    It certainly sounds like some nice machines are on their way...

    Gary.
     
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    Good news Gary,

    I emailed Sony to get a confirmation of the 930 player prog scan and had this reply;

    "Dear Mr Kelly,

    Thank you for your recent enquiry.

    The DVP-NS930V does also have PAL Progressive scan out through its component
    video out connection.

    I hope this is of help to you."
     
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    I bought the updated Harmon Kardon DVD2550S a couple of weeks ago and it's fantastic. It's got PAL/NTSC Prog Scan, MP3 playback, and looks gorgeous in silver. £350 - bargain. No lip-sync issues or any other issues for that matter!
     
  24. Gary Lightfoot

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    Apart from some people mentioning the pool splash screen sometimes appearing slightly off center (big deal), I've not heard of any issues with the new HK player - it certainly does look like one of the only PAL Prog Scan players at that price range that doesn't have any issues. :)

    Gary.
     
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    The plot thickens regarding the Sony 930's progressive scan capabilities. Chap in the Sony Centre near me said the Sony WONT have PAL progressive scan... hhmmm :mad:

    Now we have about 2 sources saying it has, and 2 saying it hasn't... :suicide:
     
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    What does all that mean in real terms?

    Is the Sony a dog?

    What on earth are;

    Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags
    Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags
    Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags
    Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP
    Video Levels
    Blacker-than-Black
    YC Delay
    Image Cropping
    Sync Subtitle to Frames
    3-2 Cadence, Film Flags
    3-2 Cadence, Alt. Flags
    3-2 Cadence, Video Flags
    3-2 Cadence, Mixed Flags
    Film Mode High Detail
    Bad Edit
    Video to Film Transition
    Incorrect Progressive Flags
    Motion Adaptive

    Someone ? :confused:
     
  28. Gary Lightfoot

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    It means it is a good player... :)

    If it can do all those things, it looks pretty good. Of course, seeing it is the real test...

    Gary.
     
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    The 999ES failed on the following tests, you can read the full review by clicking here ...

    Layer Change
    Responsiveness
    Chroma, 3-2 Film Flags
    Chroma, 3-2 Alt. Flags
    Chroma, 2-2 Film Flags
    Chroma, 4:2:0 ICP
    Video Levels
    Blacker-than-Black
    Image Cropping
    2-2 Cadence, Film Flags
    Film Mode High Detail
    Bad Edit

    "In general, we think Sony can do better than this. Especially at this price point, it's just not competitive with other players that get more core details right. The shimmering problem with high detail scenes is alone annoying enough to keep us from recommending this player."

    I wonder if the 930 will be any better, i'm kinda looking at the Denon 2900 now (but I wont be getting a new one just yet)...
     
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    I can only find the DVD25 - and only in black. Is this the same model. Where did you get yours?

    Mike
     

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