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Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by luckydip, Sep 5, 2003.

  1. luckydip

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    Just been into JL and seen the PA20. The picture on this seemed to be sharper and more defined compared to the pioneer 433HDE. Unfortunately they did not have the PW6 so I could not compare side by side. I then went to the panasonic store and saw the PW6 and PA20.

    1) Is there any difference between the two (apart from integrated tuner, speakers)?

    2) Can peeps post their views on the PA20?

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  2. MAW

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    Me first then. I would not bother with the extra for tha PA20, in the end your results should be better without a tuner. If you go to a specialist, rather than a department store, you'll see what I mean. Mostly they connect their screens with composite video or RF, which is as crappy as it gets. what you are looking at is the screen's ability to make the best of a bad job, not apply the final polish to a classy signal, like it will be in your home. Or at least if you hang around here it will. The speakers will be no better than average tv, and no earthly use in a surround system. You are stuck with an analogue tuner in an increasingly digital world. On top of that it will save you money. Cant think of any more reasons not to buy one, but I'll come up with some more in a while. BTW they're nearly impossible to do a decent job with a universal remote on.
     
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    Thanks for that. What I can't figure out is the specs (contrast ratio, number of pixels etc) of both screens appear to be the same. Does that mean both displays will have the same picture quality?

    Is it possible to bypass the tuner and input the source signal directly from my digital cable box?

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    Yes, the glass spec is identical, and no, it is not possible to bypass the tuner, you are plugging into it with scart, and it will do it's electonic stuff to your signal, like it or not. The DISPLAY can have the same PQ, but with the tuner you have what panasonic say you can have, with the display only model you have the control and access to the display's full capabilities. A good DVD player + PW6 will beat the pants off an average player and a PA20 for less money, and probably the same scenario with the same player. As to cable, You still have the option of a scaler, but I installed one with sky+ today, and no scaler was necessary, used a JS VGA converter.
     
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    The main reason I am thinking of the PA20 is the 5 years guarantee with JL. The PW6 screen on its own is around £3k. JL are doing the PA20 for £4.5k but I will be looking for a price match to around £3.4.

    Its a pity JL do not sell the PW6 as it is not a tv.With the additional info you have provided, I am in two minds!

    Cheers anyway
     
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    luckydip,
    The changed their rules last year.
    They will not price match against internet only suppliers.

    Good luck finding a shop, (near to the branch in question !), that they will match against with the PA20 in stock for anywhere near £3,400, I can't find the PW6 for less than £3,900 in a normal retailer.

    Last year they stopped selling the PW5 without a tuner due to 'customer problems' regarding the lack of scart sockets etc. This then allowed them to charge extra for the tuner which IMO was not very good.

    Keep us posted if you get a sensible price (current retail shop price in my area for PA20 is £4,500).

    Steve
     
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    Yes same issue here. JL wont even match AJ Electronics on Edgware Road (£3.4k) or Crampton & Moore (£3.5k). The best price I have seen from a shop is Robert Whyte (£3.3k) but none seem to have it on display - the key driver for JL Oxford St apparently.

    We should detail an success on here with names of contacts etc
     
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    Never seen anything decently setup in JL (OxfordStreet, BrentCross, Blue Water, SouthKen). All plasmas are very bad. House of Fraser in Lakeside sets stuff up nicely but the range is not great (they have a few fujis, a pana37PW5, some philips) and it's all on DVDs. If you are in to compare the performance rather than the looks, you've got to go for a demo with av-sales, nexnix or similar. They have more of incentive to set stuff up nicely.
     
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    PRCdirect has a retail shop in Ilford and they do PA20 for 3250 online plus PW6B for 2900. Haven't been to their shop, so don't know how much it is in there. That's within M25. Should apply to a few JL.
    Don't interact with PRC over email, they have 2 days average reply time, and normally reply just a single sentence and no more than a question at a time. I also found that what they said on email, contradicted to what they said over the phone. I am not sure I would buy from them but they'll more than do for a price match.
     
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    reply from John Lewis:

    We will price match with www.boselectronics.com as they do have a
    showroom.

    They price beat local, they price match anywhere in the UK. They will do a one off and not lower the ticket price.
     
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    dont get the pana
    pioneer are about to unlease the 434 hde and has on boared HD upscaler. converts pic i think to 720p for all feeds
    much better contrast. this will wipe the floor with the pany six.
    as is true HD not ED as the pana,s realy are/ (see american web site for proof)
    the pioneer is out oct.
    avland have a pic and spec on webite. hey its a thing of beauty too.

    go check

    pioneer.co.uk have a full decription in there latest news section under ibf berlin show. check it out

    oh and the philips pixel plus -plasmas are better than the panas i have seen both side by side no contest philips wins esp with dvd

    hope thats off use

    view also www.leconcepts.com might be co.uk
    there prices amaze and ive been using them for 5 yrs with no probs
     
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    I got a price match from JL for a PA20 with Techtronics. It took about a week to come through as the undersales dept had to deal with it. So I got the PA20 for about £3240 (currently £3228.95 at Techtronics) including the 5 years guarantee. I hope this helps someone. :D
     
  14. redface

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    Well done - which branch was it and who was the customer services rep you used. Was it problematic ?
     
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    It was the watford branch. When I went to buy it, I tried to get the price match sorted there and then. The guy tried to ring techtronics a couple of times but couldn't get through. He said that the undersales would deal with it. I was a bit dubious but I was going to buy on barclaycard so I still had the price promise on that to fall back on. I completed a couple of forms (also got a match on pioneer nsdv1000 cinema system) and had to answer security questions for barclaycard. I had the kit delivered a few days later and had their engineer setup the equipment for me.I had to chase up the undersales dept a few times but I got the desired result. Well worth it bearing in mind you get the 5 years guarantee.

    My advice would be to try and buy on barclaycard as you have their price promise as a backup. I had no real probs with the undersales dept but I would try and get the match sorted when you buy the kit. You may need to chase up their undersales but it is worth the trouble!
     
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    I recently called JL in Watford about a PWD6 and was informed they will have it in stock "around the end of September" and the price would be £3,995.


    Got my local Shop@Panasonic to match Technotronics price, including Stand, SCART and Component. They didn't ask for proof either.
     
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    anyone managed to get extended warranty from Barclaycard for plasma?
     

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