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P6 and DVI from a DVD player

Discussion in 'Plasma TVs' started by oaklandraiders, May 24, 2004.

  1. oaklandraiders

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    Yo

    Thinking about the P6 in either SD or HD with a DVI card connected to the samsung dvd player which has a DVI output.
    I've read the posts, all the problems seem to be with PC's connected.
    Will the samsung work ok. Its a USA player so only reg 1.

    Havent bought anything yet.

    If the PE30 had an input I'd get that- subject to usual dilema of pio 434 looking the best but cant afford it.

    Thanks

    John
     
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    John,

    You will be OK via DVI with normal 576p (PAL progressive) and 480p (NTSC Progressive) signals to the panny. If the player isn't multiregion, then you will only output NTSC anyhow....

    The issue with the P6 and DVI is that you cannot get the screen to accept higher resolutions with PAL signals, as the board only accepts them at 60Hz e.g. NTSC. This is therefore mainly an issue when you have a PC or scaler and are trying to achieve 1:1 pixel mapping or highres desktop settings with PAL material.

    Cheers

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    P.S. Resoltuions supported by the DVI card from here:

    http://www.avdeals.com/plasmaextras/TY-42TM6D.htm

    1 525 (480) /60p 31.47 59.94
    2 625 (575) /50p 31.25 50.00
    3 750 (720) /60p 45.00 60.00
    4 1,125 (1,080) /60I 33.75 59.94
    5 640 × 480 @60Hz 31.47 59.94
    6 852 × 480 @60Hz 31.50 60.00
    7 800 × 600 @60Hz 37.88 60.32
    8 1,024 × 768 @60Hz 48.36 60.00
    9 1,066 × 600 @60Hz 37.88 60.32
    10 1,366 × 768 @60Hz 48.36 60.00
     
  4. oaklandraiders

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    Yo

    Thanks for the info.

    John
     
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    Yo

    So would the SD P6 be able to make use of 720p ?

    I'm a bit behind and just read that the samsung with DVI output is availble in UK !

    The price of HD P6 almost places it in Pio434 country, so I think thats out.
    It looks like the P6 SD with DVI card gets me a digital picture from Samsung for a cheap(!) price.

    Thanks

    John
     
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    Only at 60 Hz..... so you will have to rely that one or other device can do a decent frame rate conversion for pal based material.

    Why does the HD being in pioneer price range concern you? To my mind its specs read better than the pioneer! I dont know what the brightness of the panasonic is, but if you compare resolution on the panaonic and pioneer, the panasonic is almost triple the pioneer. The reason that most people are tempted from the panasonic SD model to the pioneer instead is based on that extra resolution of the pioneer. With both being HD, in my mind at least, the panasonic looks better by the specs. Of course you should look, but you are mad to rule it out....

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    we had a lot of discussions AND tests here in Germany (HD 935)

    Common consensus :

    + Nice looking

    +good remote control

    + good deinterlacing (Faroudja Chip -but ******)


    - no DVI analog

    - 720p only 60 Hz (when will they ever learn that 70 % of the world population live in PAL countries)

    -***** parameters of the Faroudja chip way to high.... results:

    - to much sharpness

    - extreme noise in black levels

    - edge enhancments and halos

    - many problems with DVR- media


    US version with HDCP !!!!!


    European version for 215 Euros @ Pixmania.com

    New version is on the way (HD- 94(1)


    better choice Yamakawa 365 i > 120 Euros

    I had both


    regards from Germany
     
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    I have also Yamakawa dvd player.
    I would be glad to use the DVI-D output.
    I've noticed that Hitachi Platara televisions are dvi HDCP ready.
    Which type of plasma display would you suggest for players with Sigma chip ?
     
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    The Yammi is on the way to get some kind of "cult-status" :)


    with the new firmware you have the option to define two custom resolutions and so it seems you have a lot of options

    1280x768 for my 30 " TFT was a matter of minutes.

    the drawback is that most of the TFT and Plasma panels are 60 Hz internally and before Panasonic , Pioneer and & will add 50 Hz add support for
    720p or 1080 i I will definitely not buy one.

    There are even some forecoming initiatives here to persuade the companies and importers ............


    Regards from South Germany

    Armin
     
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    Why do you need 720p when you can currently achieve 1:1 pixel mapping ?
     
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    Yo Buns

    The price concerns me cos its getting too expensive, and with the Pio 434 not that much more I'd sooner have that. But I havent seen a P6 HD.
    60hz is fine as most of my dvds are reg 1.
    The ever falling price of the P6 SD is tempting.

    John
     
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    Yes right - but i am in the same situation - 576p is fine -768p is 60 Hz internally (DVI)
    and so all kind of Judder with slow pans - tearing is rather o.k.

    My main problem is as I use the TFT for Video work as well with my Mac DP (Radeon DVI out) that the ATI graphiccard has no option for 50 Hz.

    This may change in one of the future driver upgrades (got the word from an ATI ingeneer) the hardware has no problem with 50 Hz - so if lot of people complain ...
    and yes....this was set to highest priority in our feature request to ATI

    regards

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    but why would you want the pioneer ahead of the panasonic? Just on looks?

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    Okay then, this is all good stuff. Let me take it a stage further. If you buy a DVD with DVI output is there any benefit gained by running progressive NTSC or PAL using this connection over analogue component.

    By this I mean running simple progressive Pal signal at 50Hz, and NTSC at 60Hz not 720p upwards.

    Also, can an HDMI DVD player be converted to DVI input on a Plasma ?
     
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    Yo

    If money no object I'd buy the Pio434, as best picture I've seen, but not seen HD P6.
    Also ease of use for GF, she struggles watching tv via sky connected to a tv, let alone having to turn on an amp for sound with the P6.
    But the cheapness of getting a DVI picture with either P6 is very appealing.

    John
     
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    I was convinced in the first second when I switched my Eizo TFT from VGA to DVI -

    as well- one of the most expensive and struggling part in designing a good

    device in my humble opinion are the D/A s -

    Thats why the dead -cheap Yamakawa looks so fine - no D/A conversion direct from DVI to DVI -

    If you use the analog outs , this player is nothing more than a 50 Euro-
    China Player. (but a good one).
    The deinterlacing of all Sigma- chip players is flag based - so only convincing with movies.

    My personal opinion of a good combination is a Panny 6 (H- version) bundeled with a Pioneer 868 .

    2 points I dont like :

    a. yes.... you know..... Panasonic and 50 Hz
    b. Pioneer 868 price in Europe (in Germany 1500 Euros)

    Fly to singapur with Ryan air - meet some cute girls and pick the DVD player up for 498 euros

    :devil:

    Greetings from Germany

    Armin
     
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    You have to mighty careful out there and do the cough test very quickly as they might not be 'real' girls :eek:
     
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    "Nobody is perfect "

    ......anatomically

    :devil:
     
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    The problem is that if the Samsung outputs only 576p it won't work with the DVI card. The single line difference seems make all the difference :cool:
     
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    I think there is some confusion here...from what I have read the DVI input is fine with both PAL and NTSC via DVI from something like a Denon A11 and probs most other players with DVI out which use 576p or 480p.

    The problems start when try to get higher resolutions or 1:1 pixel mapping whereby these are only supported at 60Hz and hence only for NTSC.

    Maybe I am wrong, but this is what I had been led to believe from avsforum.

    Also try to remember that DVI doesn't automatically mean better, as Stoomonster has mentioned in other posts there is often very little diff in quality when using a good analogue connection with a DVD player with good component outputs and decent cables...again digital doesn't always mean better...

    JJ
     
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    ditto to that, I have just last night got my whole package together connected via RGBHV..... I will tell you that this looks absolutely jaw droppingly stunning. Obviously I have alot of help from Elliots sdi mods but it is proof that anaolgue can look great. I find it hard to imagine that dvi could get anywhere more than a smidgen beyond this....

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    Cool, sorted at last then ad? What did you go for in the end?

    Look forward to seeing it on the "get your plasmas out..." thread...

    JJ
     
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    My current display is Panasonic PT-LC75E projector.
    The signal sources are RGBHV from Yamakawa DVD player through DVI analog to VGA cable (768p 1:1 pixel mapping) and yuv from Dreambox sat receiver through scart component to VGA cable (625i).
    In both cases te PQ is awesome.
    I intend to use a PW6 without additional video boards.
    According to manual both signals mentioned above are applicable to PW6's vga connector.
    Did anyone try interlaced image in both PAL and NTSC via it's PC input?
     
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    As mentioned in a previous post, you problem with this is that 575p is what Panasonic accepts, not 576p. Pal from a dvi dvd player will therefore not work unless it outputs 575. There is one I believe, but the price might be a factor here
     
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    Only 575p?
    Do you know any custom resolution settings?
    What about 625i, is this accepted?
    Thank you
     
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    Martin - are you sure on this???

    The A11 ouputs 576p and 480p and I thought it has been reported that these were both accepted by the Panny DVI??? Problems only start when you need higher resolutions and 1:1 pixel mapping...

    JJ
     
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    The A11 works because it output NTSC resolutions @ 60Hz even from PAL discs. The Pioneer cannot do the PAL to NTSC conversion, so far as I know.
     
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    all sorted, D6 plasma, lumagen HDP, sky+ sdi and arcam dv27 sdi..... looks sweet..... well it did after my gf complained and made me D65 the image!

    Pics will follow if I can fit them on here!

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    You have the one that works, it outputs 575.
     
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    Now I am really lost. Are you saying that The only workable and watchable Progreesive scan picture on the Panny DVI input is using a DVD that converts pal progressive to NTSC progressive and it runs at 60Hz ?

    is that anything to do with the 3:2 pulldown that the DVD player is capable of..No ?
     

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