Overclocking worth it or not? £600 budget

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  1. BYF

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    I've been looking into a new build lately for £600 and contemplating whether to build a system with overclocking in mind or not. After looking around the unlocked i5 4670k is currently around £40-45 more expensive than the locked i5 4440 and needs a Z series board (+ £10) and aftermarket cooler (£15) for good results, again adding more expense

    What I’m wondering is would it be better to go for the i5 4440 and put the extra money into a higher tier graphics card for best bang for the buck?
     
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    I have that 4400, can't complain. If you want gaming performance then it's a no brainer to put the money into graphics if you are on a budget, in the lower end off the market it could make a huge difference between a game being playable or not. With a £600 budget that money would make the difference between an R9 270 and a 280 or a GTX 760 and a 770 and then some
     
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    wait longer and save up the extra £60 is the best thing you could do tbh
     
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    Overclocking is always worth it, ask @Yonner he will talk you into overclocking. :D
     
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    Save up a bit longer if you have to, I had the same dilemma when building a few months back and would of kicked myself further down the line not spending the extra few quid on the 4670k from the start. An easy quick overclock will result in near enough a 1GHz gain over the 4440, plus the Z87 boards are generally more feature rich.
     
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    Good advice, I originally went with a non OC'able H67 MB as I only wanted to use the Intel HD graphics as this was for work stuff, not gaming (Z MB's not available at the time). Went for the i2500k processor though as the cost difference wasn't really that massive.

    After that I got a GPU, then another, then a OC'able MB and then I could OC my CPU.

    It never stops, really it doesn't.
     
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    I haven't bothered with overclocking for years now. It is a lot easier to do these days, however, I just don't see the benefits personally. You squeeze out some extra performance and potentially significantly reduce the life expectancy of your components.

    I bought an i5-3470 with an ASUS P8Z77-V LX and probably saved well over a 100quid from an overclocking rig. I am really happy with the purchase and game happily at 1080P. Overclocking has it's benefits, but it is a lot more expensive. At stock the difference between the 3470 and the 3570 is about 4-5 FPS, some games may benefit more. Overclocked, assuming you push it to max like 5GHz will see an extra 5-10 FPS on top.

    That is well accounted for by sticking the saved money into a graphics card, which you can overclock anyway.

    Given that consoles have 1.6GHz CPU's, having a smoking 5GHz i5 CPU will likely not really see much benefits.

    Of course if you are planning to encode video or perform some CPU intensive applications, then the overclocking could be a factor. For gaming, it is a nice to have, but not worth blowing the budget for.
     
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    I've not looked into OC'ing very much but I will say that when it comes to upgrade time, you will sell your old components quicker and for more money if they are the unlocked version. Whenever I look in classified threads here the K and BE editions of CPU's seem to go really quick in my experience.
     
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    Agreed, £60 is about half a tank of fuel on my car which puts things into perspective.
     
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    That's what I was thinking at £600 price point it's either an i5 4440 + 770 vs 4670k + 760.

    From the benchmarks I've seen the 770 is a good 20-25% faster than the 760, however I'm not convinced the 4670k even overclocked to 4ghz would make that back up when paired with a 760 when it comes to gaming.

    Money isn't issue, I just don't want to spend more than £600 and I want to buy components that offer the best price/performance, I don't want to spend 30% more on something that gives 10% gain.

    I have to admit though I'm not that keen on big overclocks and from past experience stability gets worse over time anyway, 4Ghz is about as far as I'd want to push a 4670K and to be honest I'm not sure if I can be bothered with it.
     
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    Don't look at what benefits overclocking will bring to the table today but what it will bring to tomorrow's gpu's. By locking out overclocking you could well be bottlenecking future gpu purchases.
     
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    Ooh this man speaks the wise words. Buy the K version.

    Also you said money isn't the issue, screw the budget then. :)
     
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    I don't usually upgrade my GPU though, I build a system and stick with it until the next complete build and start again. You guys have given me plenty to think about, I'll have to do some more research and price things up. I've had my current system nearly five years now and it was cheap build then, so really looking forward to putting a new box together.
     
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    still on the 4870? (in sig)
     
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    Do you have one of those Razor??

    £60 for half a tank?

    [​IMG]
     
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    Why not get really good 680 as the 770 is just a rebranded 680 as I've been told. Let the experts confirm this but you could save more money than could be spent on other areas.

    Then in a couple of years bang in a Titan QuadForce 1200 titanium French silicon GPU card in (name may vary)
     
  17. BYF

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    Yep, it just keeps on trucking!

    About the gtx680 these seem quite hard to find now, have seen the 2gb gtx 770 for £230 at scan.
     
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    the 770 is better, albeit not by much
     
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    Another vote for going the 4670K route, same route I'm going.
     
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    Any good website suggestions for gaming benchmarks? I'm particularly interested in the performance gain in games from overclocking compared to stock.
     
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    Here's one, problem is most games are gpu limited, but there are some that are more cpu dependent.

    Intel Core i5-4670K Gaming Performance | bit-tech.net

    You can see in skyrim an overclocked 4670k give +10fps on the minimum frame rate and another 5 fps average.
     
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    just spend the £60, you'll only want to re-buy it later anyway if you dont
     
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    In answer to the thread title - Yes.
     
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    Free performance, it's always worth it.
     
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    Doesn't look like "free" to me.

    For a fixed budget, i5 4440 + 770 is the wise choice.
     
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    Technically it is not free performance, INTEL and the motherboard manufacturers have long been factoring overclocking into their prices.

    A rig to run an overclocked i5 costs at least 100 quid more than to run at stock. If you are running at stock, then you can save up to 100 quid on the motherboard and use a stock fan, which saves you potentially at least 30 quid.

    That is at least 130 quid outlay to get 0-10% more performance, depending on the task, not really all that cost efficient. Not to mention the extra costs in electricity and potential life expectancy of the chip. Don't get me wrong, I am not against overclocking, I think it is fun to do. However, it is not free performance. Many years ago it was that, however, overclocking is now mainstream and the manufacturers are aware of that and price for it.
     
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    But then you have to also consider the 4670k is faster than the 4440 to start with, it's hard to find benchmarks to compare but here's one Intel Core i3 4330 / i5 4440 review: affordable Haswells - Benchmarks (HD 7970): Hitman Absolution (1920x1080 High) | Hardware.Info United Kingdom

    57.1fps for the i5 4440
    64.2fps for the i5 4670k

    Then add on the extra 10-15% of an overclock and the extra bit of money is worth it. Don't take into account the cost of the cooler, as you'll want to spend £20 on a proper cooler anyway even on a i5 4440, the stock one is a bit rubbish and not very quiet.
     
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    I have run two Intel Stock coolers on my E8400 and my current i5-3470. Scratch off the thermal paste and apply your own and they run fine. I replaced the stock on the E8400 with an Artic7, just because I liked the look of it. However, the i5 stock cooler has stayed, it is dead quiet (I only hear the GPU fan) and keeps the stock i5 at below 50 degrees, during gaming. Not sure what the i5-4440 cooler is like.
     
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    I have a stock cooler on my 3570k, running at stock speeds and yeah it's OK, but it's not silent. £20 spent on an aftermarket cooler is well worth it IMO. I haven't done it becuase I have an air cooled GTX580, which is definitely not quiet at gaming temps :rotfl: however if I had a silent GPU I'd hear the cpu cooler a lot more. :smashin: My CPU with the stock TIM can hit high 60's in a warm room above a 580 running in the 70's.
     
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    Only other benchmark info I can find is this one
    Conclusion: Performance Per Dollar - Best Gaming CPUs For The Money: January 2014

    Although it compares the 3330p, (the 4440 is the Haswell version and slightly quicker) and it can stay within 90% of the performance of an i5 4770k in those games.

    From looking at the 4670k benchmarks linked earlier on, when overclocked to 4.6 ghz it's about a 10% improvement in most games for min frame rates and nearer 5% for avg frames. I wouldn't want to overclock that far though so at 4ghz gains may be half this.

    At stock speeds the 4670k gives around 5-10% higher avg frames than the 4440, overclocked to 4ghz I think 15% is around the most likely gain at best.

    The problem is the 4440 can be had for just over 75% of the price of the 4670k (£130 vs £170), add on a cooler and I'm looking at £60 and that's assuming I can get a Z77 series board for the same money as an H77, I could even save another £10-£20 by going for B85 board.

    With an extra £60+ saved I can buy a 770 or R280, these are about 25% faster than a 760, so I could end up with a 4440 based system with no overclocking that's 10% faster than an overclocked 4670k system.

    All of this is theoretical of course and many benchmarks aren't real world but the 4440 system does look good at a fixed price point.
     

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