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Ordered my SVS!

Discussion in 'Subwoofers' started by nathan_silly, Oct 11, 2003.

  1. nathan_silly

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    I've just placed a order for my SVS's, in my 3Mx3M box room.

    Four B4 Ultra's, and two Crown K2's.














    Nah- bought the same one as Ian, 20-39 PC Plus:D
     
  2. Andywilliams

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    OH Nathan
    FORGOT to tell you the 20-39 pc+ chuffs like mad and farts like a cowboy on beans,swapping mine for a rel quake.
    Gonzo.:rotfl:
     
  3. Crustyloafer

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    I wouldn't be surprised, especially if they are US made subs. The Americans do everything bigger but not necessarily better.
     
  4. Crustyloafer

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    I just looked at the top of the range SVS sub and it's best quoted spec claims 25Hz normal low frequency response and down to 16Hz if tweaked. That's pathetic, pretty much all of the British made subs can go below 25Hz with ease. What a [swear word removed by admin] joke. I don't think they understand the concept of subsonics at all.
     
  5. nathan_silly

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    Yep you're right. The MJ Acoustic 100 goes down to amazing 13Hz. Incredible, for a 8" sealed box design.
     
  6. Andywilliams

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    Hi Nathan
    Seems my bit of a joke with you has been taken seriously by the less informed.
    Crustyloafer the svs urinates on most british subs rel mj and so on and yes i have heard them.
    Gonzo.:rotfl:
     
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    :laugh: :( :thumbsdow
     
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    Glad to hear you finally bought something Nathan! There is nothing worse than someone who is all talk! :p :D

    Im not sure what you hope it to be doing better than that flat to 16Hz storm you have!

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    Hey I've bought alot in the last year!

    The Storm is very good for music (and most DVD's), but when the Storm struggles with very low stuff- heavy action films, etc-it just makes parping/chuffing sound.
     
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    Crustyloafer.... Who are you?
     
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    I think a few people are wondering the same thing Snowman.
     
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    I am a dealer based withing the UK.
     
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    When my SVS arrives I'm going to let my dealer use it for a week in his shop- he's M&K & Rel dealer.
     
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    Welcome to the club. Mine arrived in Heathrow the day after it shipped. Not long to go now. ;)
     
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    Ok, I've been thinking how to setup the subwoofer to be used in my stereo AND AV system (both seperate, and different Left/Right speakers)

    Connect low-level (downmixed stereo) from my stereo integrated amp's pre-amp output to one of the SVS's phono inputs. Enable the SVS crossover. Set the roll-off to around 50hz (my Ruark Etude LF corner) adjust gain to match the speakers.

    then..

    Connect the LFE from my MC-1 into the other input. Disable the SVS crossover. Do not touch the SVS gain, instead use the MC-1's subwoofer channel adjustment to match the other speakers.

    Will this work?
     
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    Before everyone gets fired up, it may be worth informing Crustyloafer that the specifications he's referring to aren't in fact the SVS' frequency responses, but their ports' tuning frequency. Big difference there. Even tuned to 25Hz, the sub will still output a fair amount at sub-20Hz frequencies, especially with room gain. Tuned to 16Hz it will go down to 16Hz and below, but with reduced output overall. Do REL or MJ give you that flexibility?

    Dunc
     
  18. Stuart Wright

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    Sounds like it can't cope with the volume you're pushing it to.
    Firstly check that you have the sub set to the right volume with Avia and an SPL meter. And if the sub isn't set too loud (which it may be as this is a common thing) then you need to upgrade to a Studio or Stentor.
    Although I would be surprised. The Storm should be able to cope with reference level.
     
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    Never heard of 'tuning' a subwoofer. Surely you don't want it 'tuned' to any frequency but instead reproduce all frequencies flat.
    BTW the REL Studio goes down lower than 16 Hz.
     
  20. Crustyloafer

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    I know what you're saying about the 'tuned' frequency response, but at the end of the day that is still the frequency down to which it will give a flat response, anything below that and the output level is significantly reduced. Now I know that pretty much all speakers, not just subwoofers, work in this fashion, but my main points was that for a top of the range subwoofer even a frequency response of 16Hz @ -6dB is not very good, for £700 you can get an MJ Acoustics Reference 1 which goes to 10Hz @ -6dB. As for flexibility, why is nathan_silly connecting his sub via the phono input from his his stereo amp? He should be connecting it with High-level speaker connections, or is that something the SVS subs haven't got? Using independant high and low level connections allows you to have your sub connected to both AV and stereo amps all the time with having to make any changes to the settings.
     
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    Because the high-level and low-level is several dB difference in gain, high-level is much higher input before being sent to the poweramp stage.

    I've had this problem before- Rel High-level from my stereo integrated amp, and low-level for LFE. Adjust levels in stereo first. But when I try and match the Rel to the other speakers- the MC-1's subwoofer channel is not enough. By using low level from both units, the difference between the two should be much closer, therefore possible to match up.

    The SVS's do have high & low level inputs.
     
  22. Crustyloafer

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    Do the SVS subs not have independant gain control for the High Level and Low Level inputs like the RELs do. That way you shouldn't have to do any fiddling after initial setup.
     
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    It's only with three DVD's I have problems- Titae AE intro/ice field, Toy Story II logo intro slam, and Teminator 2 shotgun blasts. These are aggressivly mixed LFE mixes- it's not the Storm at fault. But I would like a subwoofer that can handle these three DVD's (without loosing control)

    Even at a reduced volume, the storm still flaps about with these DVD's. A Rel Q100E I tried almost inverts.

    For all other DVD's the Storm is very good. I'll still keep it (not worth selling)
     
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    No, but if I REALLY want to have a subwoofer for stereo & AV- I'll use the Storm in the stereo system, and SVS for the AV system.
     
  25. Crustyloafer

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    Good plan.
     
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    Where did you find the -6dB bit? I've seen them quote 10Hz but never quantify it with a +/-dB figure.

    Matt.
     
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    I called them and asked the engineer there. I am a dealer for MJ Acoustics amongst others and am on pretty good terms with them.
     
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    Flat to 10Hz, that is very impressive for a relatively cheap sub. My sub is only rated to 15Hz so I might sell it and get an MJ sub cos I'm obviously missing out on some ultra low frequencies.
     
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    That's not flat to 10Hz, thats at -6dB output. Flat repsonse is about 14Hz I believe. The only thing is it doesn't go tremendously loud as it's not the most powerful sub by a long way. I plan on using one primarily for music purposes to accentuate a pair of Acoustic Energy AE1 Mk3s. It will of course also provide a good upgrade for my home cinema too.
     
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    Even if they are "in room" figures (another trick to make figures look better than they really are) then I'd be surprised if it would go flat to 14Hz.

    We are talking about a very nice sub here but at the end of the day it's a 10" cone with a 120 watt amp and a medium sized enclosure. So it's somewhere between an REL Strata 3 and Storm 3.

    My guess would be mayble flat (+/-3dB) to 20Hz in room. Flat Anechoic (i.e. with no room loading) I'd be surprised if it was lower than 25Hz. Just my estimations of course.

    Actually - just remembered - one of the avforums members did some measurements on the Pro 50 (which MJA claim 15Hz) in as near to anechoic conditions as he could. He measured 33Hz @ -3dB, 27Hz @ -6dB and 13Hz @ -22dB.

    Here's the link: http://www.avforums.com/forums/show...71969&perpage=15&highlight=Quake&pagenumber=3

    Matt.
     

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