Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by foghorn, Sep 12, 2004.
See press release for details.
http://www.optomausa.com/documents/Optoma H57 Press Release_final.doc
More details are coming out for this new model. It looks like this projector could be available from late October 04.
The recommended retail price looks like £2495(excl vat), but may be available for as little as £1829(excl vat).
Taking into account that this projector has the new DarkChip2 (second-generation matterhorn chip), this would be a very aggressive price for this specification of projector,
I wonder how Optomas competitors who make first generation matterhorn chip projectors will react to this product?
Hi was thinking about the H56a but think it is worth waiting to see this unit.
Do you have anu more info and when it will be avalaible.
Looks like this could be one of the first images of the H57.
Found a another one,with spec sheet.
We are taking orders now, we have priced it at £1800, spec.
Native Resolution 1024 x 576
Contrast Ratio 3500:1 (SHOULD BE RELEASED WITH 4000:1)
Brightness 900 Lumens
Lamp Type 250 watt UHP
Lamp Life 4000 hours
Video Compatibility PAL\SECAM 576i/576p
Inputs Digital Video HDCP DVI
SCART RGB - VGA (via SCART RGB adaptor)
S-video (4 pin MINI DIN)
Composite RCA x 1
RS232 (3 Pin MINI DIN)
Noise Level 23dB
OSD Languages English, German, Italian, French,
Spanish, Norwegian and Russian
Dimensions (W x H x D) 340 x 127 x 260 cm
Projection Lens f=28.3 - 38.2mm, F/2.4,1.35
Power Supply Power Consumption:
320W in operation
<20W in standbyControl Infra Red control
Looks very tasty, my old AE100 seems to be e-bay bound
NTSLIK, it looks as though the specifications have been revised (for the better ). I can't seem to find any info directly from Optoma -- do you have a link?
I had been considering an H56a (vs an AE700) but if the H57 really can deliver 4000:1 (or even 3500:1) it seems it would be a bit more "future-proof". The technologies are improving so quickly it seems silly to spend more than £2K and it is hard to gauge when to dive in. The AE700 has strong price/performance appeal but I haven't been able to see one yet. The H56 was awesome when I saw it, apart from the rainbow when white text was on a black background (I didn't see it any other time).
I wonder what those contrast figures equate to when calibrated. Sounds like a great spec for the money.
Looks to be quite the little beast, doesn't it. I'm annoyed by it's short throw. It appears to be 1.6-1.8:1. I needed it to cover about 2.1:1 to fit it onto my back wall. The ceiling won't take it, and I didn't really want it sitting in front of me no matter how quiet it is. Still if it's awesome enough...
Neil, when are Audiovision demoing it, and what's the actual shipping date (provisional of course)?
Additionally, the Mitsubishi HC900 seems to be very similar in the vein of HC2000 vs H77, albeit brighter, noisier and I think I read it had a 7 segment colour wheel. £100 cheaper too, so worth looking at these side by side.
Can't confirm at the mo, but we will be getting a demo model as soon as... few weeks at a guess, PM me and i'll put you down on a list for a demo
Please note, we have estimated the price of the H57 and would therefore honour any pre-orders (we only need 10% or full payment) to reserve at the £1800 price, we can not guarantee this will be the release price.
The H57 is advertised on the Hifibitz site for £1799 (not sure whether this is VAT inclusive) everywhere else looks to be + 2k; so audiovisiononline look like a good deal.
NTSL - I'm interested. I have to demo before I buy and as I can't make it to Cambridgshire the earliest opportunity for me to do so is likely to be next Saturday. When does your 'Pre-Order' at current price end?
Crucially, this also has Component IN which is not listed on the audiovision specification (unless I'm mistaken) but the picture of the back panel shows oherwise. OK I know you can get HDMI/DVI with this model but for me, I'm using Mark Grant Component!
Hifibitz aren't advertising prices...not sure where you have seen that price, also the offer will be on until i'm told otherwise, the thing is this will be a sort of a gamble on your part and you'll have to order blind, because by the time we get a demo model we will have been given the price.
Sorry, not sure why the spec doesn't include it but yes it does have component in.
Haven't seen any mention of it so I presume this doesn't have lens shift?
Not that i can see, although it does have vertical and horizontal keystone, but i'll see if i can check on the shift issue
That's a surprise, lens shift seems to be becoming a de facto standard feature on new models - very handy too.
Yeah, I can't even consider a projector unless it's got lens shift to be honest..
I'm not really sure you would need a lens shift as the H57 isn't really whats classed as a coffee table projector, so really it would end up being installed on the ceiling mount then using the keystone for a fixed installation.
..... but that screws up the picture - you only have to freeze the picture with no keystone, then apply keystone and watch the picture distorting - it rather defeats the purpose of paying a premium for a projector that might be expected to have decent picture quality. Lens shift (depending on the degree of shift available) can be just as advantageous when ceiling mounting, allowing neater installs, or a greater degree of flexibility in terms of screen vs. projector positioning. The latest LCD models - AE700, for instance, with 2000:1 CR, also have the advantage in terms of resolution - DLP needs to start coming to market with 1280x720 at a more accessible price point, I reckon.
I think Sim2 may have been the first manufacturer to offer vertical lens shift (HT200?), then Sharp (XV-Z90E?) but I may be wrong
I'm with theritz on this one.
The main reason I'm looking at an AE700/Z3/HS51 is for the horizontal lens shift which means I can offset the ceiling mount to one side by about 12".
I'd love to be in a position to consider a DLP but that would mean ripping the bathroom out to get to the cabling so that I can get the mount central, which is something I'm not prepared to do at the moment - it's bad enough chiselling out the concrete floor for the rest of the cables !
I'm just hoping that the 'DLP-like' performance being suggested for the new range of LCD projectors isn't just marketing speak....
With the AE700, there is very limited horizontal lens shift available at the extreme of vertical lens shift. The "neutral position" is with the image projected with the lens at the level of the centre line of the screen. Maximum vertical lens shift upwards is the position you'd have it for a ceiling mount (with the image inverted). In that position there is very little horizontal movement available - you should check the user manual for the AE700 - there's a link to a pdf posted here somewhere, it explains it very clearly.
"Hifibitz aren't advertising prices...not sure where you have seen that price, also the offer will be on until i'm told otherwise, the thing is this will be a sort of a gamble on your part and you'll have to order blind, because by the time we get a demo model we will have been given the price."
Ntslik - The price I quoted was from the Hifibitz site and is based on fairly simple arithmetic. They advertise the H77 at £3495. They state on the H57 page that the 'next model up' is the H77 at £1696 more. £3495 - £1696 = £1799. So I have obtained that price from their site. I think that would stand.
Thanks for that Sean - looks like I'll be waiting for the Z3 or HS50...
Is that inclusive of vat? because if it is it make is a very interesting proposition .....
Sorry but I can't agree with this. A quick demo will prove that there is a lot more to it than resolution and manufacture's CR figures. I saw the AE700 on Saturday and whilst I think it's the best of the LCDs I've seen so far to my eyes it's still not up to DLP standards. Unfortunately I've seen rainbows on all of the DLPs I've seen so far (4805/MT500/Z200). Although the Z200 wasn't too bad and I'm hoping the H57 will be better. Rainbows aside I would be happy to pay the extra for a DLP.
I believe that resolution of 1280x720 represents an advantage over 1024x576, both in the context of viewing distance and the performance with HD material. To my eyes, the advantage is evident even taking account of the difference in fill factor between LCD and DLP, leaving Panasonic's smoothscreen to one side for the moment. cine4home have tested the AE700 and gotten over 2000:1 CR - albeit with a filter (which is common enough in FP) - I'm not hung up on manufacturer's numbers.... so I do think that DLP needs to be coming to market with higher resolution at a more accessible price.
..... a common enough issue, and the reality is that higher segments/wheel speeds (likely to reduce this issue for you) are more expensive than the models you've demo'd.
The point of my post wasn't to say that LCD is better than DLP or vice versa, but rather to point out that the most recent entries in the LCD market have raised the bar, narrowing the gap between LCD and DLP performance. I believe that the Sony HS50 has the capacity to change the dynamic between the two technologies, but it's better to wait and see before pronouncing on that... In this context, we need to see 1280x720 dlps in the market at more accessible prices.
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