Oppo Digital OPDV971H

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  1. dbeamish

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    Bought one just beginning of this week. When its arrive I'll tell you my impression. BTW your homepage is quite interesting and I'll read your reviews more carefullly when I get back home.
     
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    Cool I'd be interested in hearing it.

    Well its not my homepage as such.. I just do work for them occasionally.
     
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    Where can you get it from in the UK? Is there a distributor over here now, or do you have to import it from the States?

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    erm I'm not sure. They certainly sell them internationally on the web site, but other than that I haven't heard of a European based distributor. I have contacts tere now - I will try to remember to mail one of them tonight.

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    Cheers David.

    It looks like an excellent machine, and would be near the top of my list, but I get a bit uncomfortable when it comes to import tax and paying the Royal Mail their bit. Granted it would still seem a steal after that, but then there's the stress of getting it sorted if it goes wrong.

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    thats true. I bet I have to pay VAT on it when it arrives.. still since the payer is free it shouldn't be too bad ;)
     
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    Anyone using this with a projector?
     
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    Hi I am using with Infocus 7205 "AWESOME" (with latest firmware) in the uk
    Paul :clap:
     
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    mine just shipped.
     
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    Hi,

    I'm using the European equivalent of this player, the BBK DV971H, in combination with a Sanyo Z2 projector and 15 meter DVI cable.

    The BBK is identical to the Oppo but it has an added SCART socket. I actually installed the latest Oppo firmware on it as Oppo is somewhat quicker in putting out new firmware releases.

    My benchmark regarding DVD replay is an old (2001) Sony S725D DVD player that was hooked up through component (interlaced, non upscaling) and I've been fiddling with a HTPC experiment (Theatertek 2.1 and FFDSHOW sending out 720p to the projector).

    I would say the Oppo blows the Sony away (understandable) and comes very close to the HTPC (which in turn could be tweaked a lot further but didn't want to do it with the summer and all). And this all for a price lower than an empty HTPC casing...

    On a good quality DVD source (for example Kill Bill I) the picture is amazing, with the latest firmware. Very sharp, very dynamic colors. The deinterlacing is very good, no artifacts as far as I can see. No visible layer change.

    The only 'issues' remaining with the player are the following:
    -Some users complain of intermittent lip sync issues. This has been improved in the last firmware release, but remains the number one priority. It appears to be a common problem with the Faroudja chipset, although a number of manufacturers have been able to solve it so it's probably in the implementation of the chip. I haven't had it yet.
    -On 720p it has a slight underscan on some projectors, including my Z2, I would sat about 10 pixels on each edge. This apparently also happens with more players (and my HTPC) and has some deeper cause (disregarding of some information in DVI?) which I read about it somewhere.
    -No 2:2 cadence. I'm no deinterlacing specialist, but this is apparently an issues with older PAL discs. To be honest, I haven't seen any issues with this. This mode however is implemented on various other players (Denon, Panasonic) with have an extra deinterlacing mode (eg 'Auto 2') for this. Oppo is working on this, but as it is a US based company it is more a 'wish' than a 'defect' item.

    But in general Oppo has been listening very closely to their customers and reacting by issueing firmware releases. For example the lasty firmware succesfully eliminated the biggest issue with the PQ, the shimmering. So I have faith that the remaining issues will be solved in coming firmware releases.

    For me this player is a no-brainer at this price, the only alternative I was looking at is the Panasonic S97. However I believe that at the core the Oppo/BBK is a better player, it just needs a few more firmware releases to iron out the last litte 'bugs'.

    The BBK player can be bought at some Danish/Swedish webshops, and I bought it at a Dutch webshop (www.livingcinema.nl) just 15 min from my house.

    But for all information go the the 100+ page thread on avsforum...

    Menno
     
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    Thanks Menno! sounds good
     
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    Hi Paul, I see in your signature that you've also used the Panasonic S97? How do they compare?

    Cheers,
    Menno
     
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    Does this thing have an HDMI output? The Danish site has 'HDMI' in it's title but only DVI is referred to in the text and specs.

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    Hi, I really like Pana products (I worked for them for many years!)
    and waited for the 97 to appear with baited breath, great player in many ways but I was not happy with the upscalled picture after the succsesseive "macroblock" firmware "upgrades" is just became soft,

    the Oppo now after its latest firmware is just sensational simply the best upscalled dvd picture I have seen to date, the sound sync probem is still on occasion a problem, but Oppo are working on it, they really care. :thumbsup:

    paul
     
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    no. its dvi but they can provide a dvi to hdmi cable
     
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    Hi its DVI

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    I just ordered the BBK/OPPO through Livingcinema by using Paypal. I also downloaded the latest June firmware update from the site (it can be found on the Forum section there),just to be ready...:) I hope it's modified with a Scart exit and European 220V power input! In a few days i shall keep you updated...I am curious to compare the image with that of my HTPC (I don't care much about the sound quality to be honest)
     
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    Stathis,

    the BBK has a SCART socket and 220V, at least the one I got from livingcinema 2 months ago!

    Menno
     
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    Cheers for the responses people.

    Verschuur - out of curiosity, where did you get the 15m dvi lead that you are using with the z2? Any issues with sparklies that Ive heard people talk about with long dvi leads and the z2?

    I also have a z2 and Im currently trying to decide between the samsung 950 [sounds like it could have issues], the phillips dvp9000 [has a plus as its good with sound] or now this oppo/bbk [purely for the price].

    Im currently using xbox mc for dvd so im sure any dvi source will have big improvements.

    Finally, what else do you have connected to the z2 at the same time [if any other connections]

    Cheers
     
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    Hi,

    I got the DVI together with the BBK player at livingcinema.nl. It's a Profigold DVI cable, and it works fine with this length (no sparklies!). It wasn't my preferred cable, as with this length DVI cable the only ones I read consequent positive results (at a reasonable price) about were the RAM Electronics and Blue Jeans Cable ones.

    However the shop garanteed that the Profigold would work at 15 meter with 720p (which was the resolution I was looking to use), and as he made me a nice offer for the cable and player (350,- EUR) so I decided to take the gamble. And sofar it works perfectly, even although the cable passes behind my rack through the mess of mains, loudspeaker and interconnect cables.... :D I haven't tried any higher resolutions though so I don't know how much higher the quality of the cable can take me.

    Currently the BBK/Oppo is the only thing connected to my Z2.

    Regarding DVD players, the Denon 2910/3910 were the highest on my wishlist, but seeing as I'm looking at going the HTPC route this winter I felt they were a bit too much compared to some of the bargains at the lower end of the market. Also with HD-DVD and Blu-Ray around the corner.
    The Philips I haven't read too much about, but seeing the general good reception of the 963SA which I believe this player builds on it should be pretty good! The Samsung players never seemed to get much good reviews so they were out for me.
    For me it was thus between the BBK/Oppo and the Panasonic S97. The first I believe is in the core a better player, while the S97 is bit fancier and appears a bit more sorted out than the BBK/Oppo (2:2 cadence, no audio sync issues, nicer menu's). However I took my chances on BBK/Oppo improving the player with firmware updates, and the process of them getting the bugs out of the player and improving it to even greater hights in every step has a certain 'hobby' charm to it.

    Menno
     
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    Cheers for the reply Verschuur - all sound good - I got as far as checkout last night withthe Oppos and 10m Profigold DVI cable and then didn't go through with it.

    How often do these lip sync problems crop up and excuse my ignorance but what effctes does the 2:2 cadence issue result in?

    CHeers
     
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    Nice comments, Verschuur. Just one question about the new firmware upgrade of June 28: I noticed that the Oppo file is bigger in size that the BBK one (i downloaded both)! Which one do you recommend to install? Maybe they are the same afterall? Thanks in advance
     
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    MWD:
    just give livingcinema a e-mail, they might be able to give yoy a deal on a package of player and cable.

    The lip-sync, some users have it occasionaly, some hardly at all. I haven't had it sofar in the 2 months I have the player (at about 1 - 2 films a week)

    2:2 cadence, as I said no big expert on deinterlacing, but it is better for PAL movies. A google search will explain i to you better than I can :)

    As other manufacturers have inplemented the Faroudja chipset without lip syns issues and with 2:2 cadence, it is a matter of BBK/Oppo releasing new firmware which addresses this. Seeing the way they've been listening to user inputs and request in the firmware releases so far I have good faith that they will keep polisshing this little diamond. But most users will testify that even in the current state the BBK/Oppo is one of the best players regarding picture quality.

    Statis,

    I haven't checked the BBK firmware (too lazy and the Oppo one is working great), so I'm afraid I can't tell the differences. I'll ask some Dutch users if they know.

    Cheers,
    Menno
     
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    Hi guys,

    I've flashed my Cambridge DVD79 with oppo firmware, retaining the parts of the code for panel buttons and ir codes. It nearly 100% now and I have to say the difference on some DVDs is stunning. Still suffers some of the age old sync problems with this mediatek / dcdi combo - but the rest of the picture makes up of it.
    I think this player in any form is a bargain, if your using the DVI connections.

    Cheers,

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    Hi did you modify the file yourself?

    Paul
     
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    After reading through avforum and lookin at the review on hometheatrehifi, i am seriously considering this player now, but just a quick ?, does the DVI out on this have HDCP (my screen has DVI but is not HDCP compliant)
     
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    I think its not HDCP compliant actually..

    I think I read it somewhere?
     
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    I was sure i'd read it somewhere as well, but can't find where anymore :oops:

    So had to ask :D

    EDIT: Ah ha, it was in the home theatre hifi review, they state that the Oppo DVI out is not HDCP compliant - Link
     
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    Does that mean that an HDCP compliant display, such as a projector, will not accept the signal? Or is it the other way round, in that an HDCP compliant source (ie DVD player) will not transmit to a non-HDCP compliant display?

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