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Discussion in 'Projectors, Screens & Video Processors' started by paulsa, Nov 12, 2001.

  1. paulsa

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    Hi All ,New member and first post,really just want some opinions, I`m on the market for my first projector(solely for movies),but things are getting confused rather than clear,read loads of reports and had a few demo`s, maybe it`s me but some things don`t stack up :confused: seen the Sim 2 HT200, first thoughts, rather dull when viewing Saving Private Ryan, but on watching Lost In Space, was far better,compared this to the SanyoPLV30 with a line doubler and felt the quality was not too far apart(well not £2500 apart) but the Sim 2 had a `smoother` picture,then i viewed the Ellie 2000 and Ellie 3000, was impressed by the 2000 apart from the y chromo delay that was apparant-can this be adjusted out ? very smooth picture and cinema like, the 3000 model i viewed did not seem that much better apart from being set up too dark and losing detail in the blacks( i think !!),the picture had more detail,but i would have thought a scaler on the 2000 would do the same thing -for less cash,but i have to ask,is crt worth the size/hassle/install problems as i live in Glasgow and they are in Birmingham,at the same time i viewed the Sim 200 DM was surprised to see pixilation on certain (bright)scenes of Terminator 2 (region2) I really wanted to buy this ,as i could have got a 2nd hand one for 4k but the viewing did not seem to match all the reviews i have read:confused: I`m now going to view the New Sony VPL HS1,and a second hand Sony VLP VW10HT for £2995(only used 12 hours--is it that bad ??)how will these compare ?? ,I`m willing to be shot down in flames as this is all new to me,so these are views from my inexperienced eyes,really want to buy ,but trying to get it as right as poss.
     
  2. Roland @ B4

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    Paul

    Welcome to the forum. Even those that have worked on and seen these machines in action many times find this confusing. You are not allone in wondering why some people give one projector a wonderful review and another wouldn't touch it. But this is not a black and white choice :D . Like audio its what appeals to you that matters. there is no right or wrong.

    Setting a projector up is and art and rarely done properly. No two people will do it the same.

    You have listed a load of projectors and done the right thing in comparing them. Try to make sure you always see the same clip on each machine.

    The person to contact in Glasgow is Gordon Fraser he will not give you bad advice and is an expert at getting the best out of which ever technology you chose. Do a search through the forums he's never far away.
     
  3. Phil Hinton

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    Paul

    You will never be shot down on these forums, you will find this a very friendly place to be and the advice from certain individuals Regarding Projectors, like Gordon, Roland, Jenz, and many others is first rate.

    I wa in the same position a few months back. I am having probs at the moment with the second hand unit i bought, but thanks to these forums and the experts who are here I know we are all in good hands.

    Welcome to the Forums, and good luck on your search.
     
  4. paulsa

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    Roland ,I`ve read lots and lots of threads on this forum on projectors,YOU are obviously the man:) when it comes to knowledge about these things,i`ll hopefully be heading into to see Gordon in his store this week ,thanks for that.
    it appears that all you `serious` guys all really only entertain crt as the top medium for viewing movies,is this just a personal preference or through experience and use( trying and buying time spent watching etc. etc.) does everyone eventually gravitate towards getting a better and better picture and this is only achievable with crt ?
    there is all this talk about dlp,but from what i`ve seen(albeit only 1 sim2 HT200 and 1 sim2 HT200DM--at £6300 :eek: ) they where not as good as the Ellie 2000 at £4000,is it possible they where set up that badly ,but i can`t understand how mags put the SIM 2`s above the Ellie especially as they are more expensive !!.
    sorry for the same sort of question ,but it`s just the size of the Ellie (or all crt`s) thats stopping me buying one,if i could find the same quality from a lcd or dlp i would be very interested,in other words how does the sony hs1 (sounds great for `only` £1699)or a second hand vw10ht compare.....if you wish to e mail me for fear of upsetting anyone no problem:D
     
  5. Roland @ B4

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    Becareful of my advice because it will be biased towards CRT. I have had a lot of experience of the whole range of CRT and still believe that it produces the most filmic image possible.

    What we are trying to create is a cinema at home.

    The picture quality of the lamped devices is coming along but they are not there yet. Having said that, any one who has seen the size of a big CRT knows you have to be pretty dedicated to get that past the wife. Some people are not lucky enough to have a dedicated room and have to put the projector away at the end of the day.

    I beleive there is a market for all of these types of projectors. there are a lot of variables that have to be consided when deciding to spend very hard earned cash. The ideal projector is the one that suits YOUR requirements.

    • Cost
    • Size
    • Weight
    • Noise level
    • Picture quality
    • Inputs
    • Compatability
    • Relibilty
    • Build quality
    • Cost of Ownership
    • Lens throw
    • Ceiling mount
    • Depreciation
    • Personal taste

    Good luck with your meeting with Gordon. Be gentle with him he's a married man now.

    A projector is only as good as the person who sets it up. If an audio person sets up a projector expect it to sound very good. :confused:
     
  6. Phil Hinton

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    LOL:D :D
     
  7. ukaudiophile

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    Hi,

    Paulsa, I'm also a newbie around here but I've found this to be a first rate forum. You may also want to check out theAVS Forum which also has a lot of well regarded CRT specialists, though obviously with a US centric twist.

    When I purchased my first projector going on 5 years ago LCD was just getting into the market, but I went with a new CRT unit. If I had that kind of money now to spend on a projector I would still go for a CRT unit.

    LCD and DLP are excellent if you have space restrictions, you can't leave a projector permanently set up or you just want a plug and play solution.

    CRT's still better either of the above technologies when it comes to giving a more film like image without introducing artifacts. Given the prices that you can now get CRT projectors for and given the excellent support available on the 'net, I would very seriously look at buying a CRT. two things to remember are that CRT's need to be securely mounted so they do not move in relation to the screen, and you really need 100% light control in the room to get the very best from them.

    at about the £4K mark you can afford to buy used Electrohome 3XXX and 4XXX series projectors, one of the Sony 12XX or a Barco 8XX series. I have to say that I tend to lean towards the Sony myself as I've found parts for the Electrohome to be a little expensive and not that easy to get. Also Electrohome (Christie Digital) have sold the CRT side of the business to a company in the USA and part prices, I've been warned, are likely to climb in the New Year. I've also found Sony to be very good at keeping parts available for discontinued equipment so you chouldn't have too many problems sourcing parts if required for a Sony in the future. Having said that my Vidikron has run for 5 years without requiring any parts at all, just an annual touch up of the convergence from the remote is all the maintenance it's required.

    Right now I'm drooling at the thought of getting a Sony G70 or Electrohome Marquee 8500 in the next year or so. I don't know if I can afford it yet, but we can but dream.

    Regards and best wishes,

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  8. Peter Parker

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    For my first foray into home cinema, I decide to go the DLP route. It is cheaper (new) and a lot smaller than CRT, and is easier to set up and maintain. I couldn't get a CRT into my loft anyway...

    Most DLPs will benefit from an outboard scaler such as a Quadscan or HTPC. I went the pc route myself, and today you can build yourself a computer that will give your DLP a far better souce image for under £500 (maybe even £400 if you look around).

    I'm using a Davis DLS8 and an all-in-one motherboard solution for my HTPC. I get glitch free playback and DD EX/DTS ES sound. I may upgrade to a Radeon in the near future.

    Not as good as CRT, but not far off, and still gives that big screen experience. :)

    HTH

    Gary.
     
  9. Gordon @ Convergent AV

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    Paul,

    Please phone the shop and arrange to come and see me. I'm actually of sick at home just now and I have our PLV30 in my living room! Our HT200DM is not available either.....in fact we just have a S/H Sony CRT on dem with a rather spiffy scaler.

    When you are ready call me and I'll try and get it all back in the shop and we'll have a mini "event" where I'll show you the key differences between the technologies and you'll be able to see these things plugged in working at there best. It's easy to make good products look CRAP as those who attended the event this summer found out!

    A big screen experience can be very rewarding. Roland and I are known as CRT guys but that's not to say I don't know how to get the VERY best out of all the other technologies going! Take your time just now and you'll get a great picture, I'm sure of it.

    Look forward to seeing you soon,

    Gordon
     
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    Paul,

    I would definitely recommend you take up Gordon's offer - I did back in February and spent a fascinating half a day looking at the Sanyo PLV30, Sim2 HT200 and Sony 10HT. I came away much more knowledgable about what is important to me in a projector.

    e.g. some people say that the black levels of the Sony 10HT are very poor and some people say that it doesn't really bother them. Until I'd actually seen a well set-up Sony then I didn't know whether or not it would bother me. Likewise the Rainbow Effect from DLP projectors, chicken-wire effect on LCD, etc..

    Whilst I haven't yet made the jump and bought a projector, I do know where I'll be buying from when I do...

    Cheers,
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  12. Roland @ B4

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    I'm a projector person you should see my audio system.:confused:

    Actually that make better sence


    (The speakers have to go where Caroline thinks the look nice)
    :p
     
  13. paulsa

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    cheers guys and thanks for ALL the input i really do appeciate it -it`s really opinions i am after and thats what i`m getting -brilliant it`s good to hear others views on the same subject ,from `old hands`and from new converts like myself.Gordon let me know when you are back at the store and i can contact you their,BTW Graham (Laing) says Hi !! seen his system:cool: and he came with me to view the Ellie`s and the SIM2`s,he also told me to heed your advice,so likewise ,i`m looking forward to meeting up too. Thanks again all:):)
     

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