Now that both the above receivers can be had for pretty much the same price, is the Denon the better deal or not? I know the Denon is from the class above (Onkyo TX-NR709 territory) however there are no reviews of this unit anywhere! Will it sound better than the 609 or will the 609 still hold its own? I only ask because the Denon AVR-2312 on paper seems to have the same amps as the Denon AVR-1912 - which didn't fair so well against the 609. However I am curious that given the extra £200 (at new) of the 2312 then surely it should sound better than the 1912. Also, the more advanced Audyssey system in the Denon plus extra HDMI count are keeping me from ordering the 609. Any thoughts?