Onkyo HTX22HD successor: Onkyo HTX22HDX *Part 2*

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  1. RottenFox

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    This thread is the continuation of the original thread here!
     
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    Alumni Fronts Purchased:thumbsup: I will let you know how they sound next week, away tomorrow. Trying to talk SWMBO round to allowing the origional Onkyo fronts to be used as rears. Longer cabling needed will be needed though. Have you tried iaint's suggestion yet?
     
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    Which cable would be best? - as in diameter/strand qty etc.. and easy on the pocket too?
     
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    Minor issue.. anybody know how to set the default input on this? Mine switches to DIG3(TV) everytime I turn it on, I'd like to set it to one of the HDMI inputs. Thanks in advance!
     
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    Hi.
    For some reason the onkyo when turned on now defaults to HDMI(great).
    But now the tv defaults to free-sat.
    Why?i don't even have a dish.
    Paddy you have the same tv and virgin Tivo.Does yours do this?
    It's not too bad as i just press the av button once on the panny remote and bingo HDMI comes on.

    The wife is still saying "why use so many remotes to watch tv?".
     
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    Alumni Fronts connected up and running, sounds great, haven't changed any settings yet but my initial impressions are that they give a brightness to the sound that wasn't there before. I have not broached the subject of using the Onkyo fronts as rears yet, timing not quite right yet. I am just using the origional Onkyo cable that came with the HTX22HDX for now but I will see what cable is available at a good deal from Richer when I have the go ahead for the rears. If I am going to lay cable under the carpet for rear speakers I only want to do it once, so I will buy the best quality I can afford at the time. Sorry if this is not much help but to me it is only wire.
     
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    Hi Ken.
    I am glad you like the alumni fronts.I am looking to buy the myself.
    I have the same centre as you and i find it's very good for the money.

    You won't regret adding the rears as i have mission floorstand speaker as rears.
    I know i should have them as fronts.but her indoors wants them more out of sight.
    Still they sound very good and that's the point.

    Could you tell me how much you paid for the alumni fronts?
     
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    I bought 25m of 1.75mm 96 strand cable online for €16 so happy out. Probably putting my fronts to the rear and install the rears as fronts because of the kehole issue but I know that at a push and if I have to, I will purchase a suitable wall mount with an adapter for kehole hanging. Install of surround package happening on saturday.Will report back on results
     
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    I paid £135.99 for the pair from Richer Sounds. They didn't have any open box units in at the time. The first time I looked at these speakers in Richer Sounds they had an open box pair that had been on demo for 20% off. A good saving if you time it right.
     
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    Hi, I've just bought the 2.1 system for a bargain £148.50 off ebay (albeit a refurbished model but with Onkyo's 1 year warranty). Anyway, I was hoping someone could advise me on the best method of connecting the system up as my TV doesn't have HDMI-ARC. I want to use my Virgin Media Tivo and WD TV Live's optical outs to take advantage of Dolby Digital. Both of these are currently connected to my TV (Panasonic TH-37PX80B) by standard HDMI 1.3.

    I see that the Onkyo has 3 HDMI inputs and one HDMI out but I understand this is HDMI-ARC so I'm guessing there's no point connecting the Tivo and WD TV to the Onkyo and then the Onkyo to my TV via HDMI?

    Should I just leave the Tivo and WD TV connected to my TV by HDMI as they are now but run the optical outs of those to the Onkyo's optical inputs?

    Also, is it worth buying the SKS-22S additional speakers? I'm not too fussed about having surround sound as such but I've read that the centre speaker transforms the sound.

    Thanks for any help.
     
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    I don't have ARC support on my TV either but I connect everything to the Onkyo then the Onkyo to the TV Via HDMI.
    If your WD TV supports full HD Surround Sound through HDMI connection then just connect it and your TIVO to the Onkyo using HDMI cables. As you have a Panasonic TV use the HDMI 1 on the TV to connect from the Onkyo.
    Any Centre speaker will improve the sound options that you get from the Onkyo.
    Please do a search for my previous posts if you have any more questions about the Onkyo HTX22HDX. I'm sure you will find answers to questions you haven't even thought of yet within the posts and replies.
    Enjoy your new system.
     
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    Thanks Ken, I'm just going through some of your old posts in the previous thread now. My Panny TV doesn't have optical out either (it's quite an old model now, I am saving up for a new one though!) but from what you've said, it seems that I can connect the Tivo and WD TV Live to the Onkyo by HDMI and optical and then connect the Onkyo's HDMI out to my TV. I don't really use my TV's built-in tuner as I watch everything TV-based through the Tivo, I also have an old Samsung DVD-H1080 DVD player that I could hook up to the Onkyo's third HDMI input.

    Hopefully that way the sound of the three boxes will be going directly into the Onkyo and the video will be going through the Onkyo and then out to the TV, is that right?

    UPDATE: Well just received an email from the company I bought the 22HDX from and it's been dispatched so hopefully I should get it tomorrow and be able to start hooking it up.

    I also received an email from Onkyo themselves and they confirmed what you said Ken, that I can connect the WD TV Live and Tivo direct to the 22HDX and then use the HDMI out from that to the TV. I guess I don't need these two optical cables I've just bought, doh!

    I've attached a couple of photos of my living room and wondered if you think the shelf below my TV will be an ok placement for the subwoofer? As you can see I don't sit very far from the TV (about 6 ft) and I'm thinking of buying the SKS-22X additional 5.1 speakers later this week but I wondered whether to wall mount them behind the sofa or buy a couple of speaker stands like these Fisual Satellite Speaker Stands For Keyhole Mount Speakers - Speaker Stands - Audiovisual Online - Home Cinema and Hifi Specialists and putting them at either side of the sofa?

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    I would be tempted to use the speakers shown in your photo as Fronts and the Onkyo HTX22HDX speakers as Rears. Buy a cheap centre speaker with a Tweeter for good speech and you may need some speaker cable for the Centre and to reach the Rears. This will probably be a cheaper option than buying the SKS-22X.
    I have replaced my Onkyo Fronts with Morduant Short Fronts and Centre, with the intention of using the original Onkyo's as Rears when SWMBO lets me. I bought the Morduant Short Centre to enhance the Onkyo HXT22HDX system and was so impressed with the sound I saved up and bought the Morduant Short Fronts.
    EDIT
    Where is your Sub going in the room?
     
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    Well I was planning on using my current M-Audio speakers for use with my music gadgets that you can see laying on the floor and my iPad. I was going to buy a Sony SA-NS510 wireless speaker for making music on the move but the sound from the AV30 speakers is so good that I'll save me the money and spend it on the Onkyo for my TV and just use the AV30's for music making.

    I don't mind buying the SKS-22X kit as I've seen it elsewhere online for £77 and tbh I won't be listening to TV/movies very loud as I don't want to disturb the neighbours and I'm not a fan of booming bass, I prefer a more balanced sound.

    I was going to ask actually if the 22HDX has a similar night mode that some sound bars have or if you can tweak something in the settings to behave that way? When I was researching sound bars the night mode seemed like a good thing for me as it would still allow for good sound quality when watching films at night but reduce the bass and keep the speech clear.
     
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    The 'Night Mode' on the Onkyo is called 'L Night' (activated by pressing one button on the remote) and it boosts the sound parameters so that you can hear the sound well at low volume. L Night mode doesn't turn the volume down as you would expect but makes the quiet bits match the rest of the volume so that they can still be heard at lower volume levels.

    I never play my system loudly, it is the quality of the sound I wanted and better speech response, hence the centre speaker. My Sub is set at -6 and the Crossover at 150Hz. You will really notice the Bass at first, especially in male voices on the TV but bear with it and you will get used to it.

    Can you still get the SKS-22X, it was out of stock at most places a while ago? I thought they were phasing it out.
    EDIT
    Do you play the keyboard? My son has just bought a Korg Kronos Workststion.
     
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    Thanks for that Ken, I think I'll have a good play around with it tomorrow. As for the bass, I can always adjust that to suit my needs but I remember when I went from my TV's standard speakers to the M-Audio AV30's and immediately noticed the bass, as you said though, I did get used to it after a while.

    I've done a search and there are quite a few placed that still sell the SKS-22's, Scanview.co.uk has them for £77 and a few other have them for £80-90 (even Amazon). I think I'll order some at the end of the week when I have some money.

    Yeah I do play the keyboard a little but I make electronic music a lot and so have a lot of gadgets like the Korg Kaoss Pad 3 and Korg Kaossilator Pro. That's why I want to use the AV30 speakers to hook everything up to instead of using a mono guitar amp.
     
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    Hi.
    Note the Onkyo night mode only works for dolby sources. Anything else just yields "Not Available"...
    I fear you can't use the AV30s as fronts or similar as they only have line-in to the integrated amplifier, and the 22HDX only has speaker-level outs...
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    Yeah I think I'll stick with the speakers that come with the Onkyo. Thanks for the tip about the night mode function.

    Can't wait to get it tomorrow.
     
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    Well I received my 22HDX yesterday and connected it all up and couldn't wait to hear how good it sounds and unfortunately the subwoofer speaker isn't working. Absolutely no sound coming through it (I thought the sound was weak and had no bass). Tried listening to the test tone and it comes through the front left and right speakers but not the subwoofer.

    Luckily it came with a 1 year warranty from HM-stox (off ebay) and serviced by GenServe. I just phoned them to book it in for a repair and they said it could take 2-3 weeks, possibly longer before I'll get it back!

    I think I'll hold off on buying those SKS-22X speakers until I know for sure the main unit's working properly, needless to say I'm pretty disappointed.
     
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    Nightmare:mad: I think I would be tempted to return it for a refund as 'not fit for purpose'.
    Sometimes I wonder how companies can undercut each other by so much, do you think this could have been a faulty returned unit?
    Hope you get everything sorted to your satisfaction pretty soon.
     
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    Yeah I suspect that it was as you said, a faulty returned unit. HM-stox, the company off ebay where I bought it from, they had about 5 of them so they probably didn't bother checking them all.

    At least I'm able to send it back and get it repaired, I'll see what happens in a few weeks plus I'll have some extra money for those surround speakers.
     
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    Hi guys

    Finally fitted th SKS22x. Impressed BUT I'm still having to adjust volume for dialogue vs action. Ithought whe upgrade from 3.1 to 5.1 I would get a better balance throughout the channels. Granted, I havent really fiddled about with individual speaker volumes yet so I decided to ask what others have done to improve. I'm looking for a recommended speaker settings list if anyone can provide me with one.
    To incude anything from volumes to crossovers and any other tips you might have.
    Also, I removed my beloved Q Acoustics 2000C Centre speaker (which I had in my 3.1 setup) for the SKS centre because I was told that mixing different brands might result in varying tone which might affect overall audio quality. Would anyone advise on whether I should reconnect my QA or leave as is ?
    Please feed me with your knowledge
     
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    Hi guys

    Finally fitted th SKS22x. Impressed BUT I'm still having to adjust volume for dialogue vs action. Ithought whe upgrade from 3.1 to 5.1 I would get a better balance throughout the channels. Granted, I havent really fiddled about with individual speaker volumes yet so I decided to ask what others have done to improve. I'm looking for a recommended speaker settings list if anyone can provide me with one.
    To incude anything from volumes to crossovers and any other tips you might have.
    Also, I removed my beloved Q Acoustics 2000C Centre speaker (which I had in my 3.1 setup) for the SKS centre because I was told that mixing different brands might result in varying tone which might affect overall audio quality. Would anyone advise on whether I should reconnect my QA or leave as is ?
    Please feed me with your knowledge
     
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    Here is My Setup hope it helps but it is My Room and my speakers are well beded in now.

    Onkyo Settings

    1. Sp Config
    • Subwoofer Yes
    • Front Small
    • Centre Small
    • Surround None
    • Crossover 150Hz
    • Double Bass Off
    2. Sp Distance

    • Unit Feet
    • Left 10ft
    • Centre 10ft
    • Right 10ft
    • Surround Rt ____
    • Surround Lf ____
    • Subwoofer 11ft
    3. Level Cal
    • Left 0db
    • Centre 0db
    • Right 0db
    • Surround Rt ____
    • Surround Lf ____
    • Subwoofer -6db
    4.Audio Adjust
    • Input Ch(Mux) Main
    • Input Ch(Mon) Left+Right
    • Panorama On
    • Dimension 0
    • Centre Width 4
    • Centre Image 5
    • EX. Bass On
    • Listening Angle Narrow
    • Front 5.1 Yes
    5. Source Setup
    • IntelliVol +6db
    • A/V Sinc 0ms
    • M.Optimiser Off
    6. Volume Setup
    • Max Volume Off
    • Pon Volume 36
    7. HDMI Setup
    • Audio TV Out Auto
    • LipSinc Disable
    • HDMI Control On
    • Audio ReturnCh Auto
    • Power Control On
    • TV Control On
    8. AutoPowerDown
    • AutoPowerDown On
     
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    Thank you very much will give it a whirl
     
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    Speaker position plays its' part also.
    Just a thought, does your centre speaker have a tweeter? I found this makes a diference with speech clarity. Not so much with deep male voices, you may have to change the crossover frequency to make a diference there.
     
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    Never knew that. My QA does, not sure about onkyo centre, will check manual. Do I adjust crossover up or down for improved dialogue. I still dont know whether to go back to my QA centre or not?
     
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    Use the best speaker you can for the centre. The higher the crossover number the more Bass you will get from the Sub and your fronts will have to work less. A lot of DVD or BluRay films are mixed so that the effects take priority and it is pretty hard to enhance the speech on these. TV is another matter, I found deep male voices to be 'Boomy' initially, I don't know if it is the speakers 'Bedding in' or me getting used to a 'New' sound but I can hear them well now.
    Any help,
     
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    Great help thanks - going to reconnect the QA centre - it is better based on what I've heard so far from the onkyo centre. I can't understand why effects are given priority for home entertainment - like mine, not every house is a childless one but they should also understand that not everyone wants to blown away with booms and bangs.
    A feeling of surround theatre audio with good emphasis on the quieter moments too IMO would be nice. Wanna be blown away, then simply turn it up.
    Rant over.
    Will keep tweaking - thanks again Ken
     
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    I've had this system for over a year now and its been a great buy for the cash.
    I did upgrade with the extra speaker pack also from Onkyo to make it a 5.1 system.
    For movies etc it blows your socks off , REALLY ! in any mode .
    My lounge is 5m by 4m

    Now for my gripe .... I was always hoping that this would be a replacement for a mid-range stereo system I had.
    It doesn't I'm afraid I've tried bigger (more powerful) front speakers just in-case that was the problem but it wasn't. When trying to play ordinary stereo music from ANY source .. ie tv,cd,tablet & airplay the treble is totally missing, to the point where the best compromise is keeping tv speakers on and adjusting the onkyo sound levels to match. The sound then is full and rich with bass.
    Of course the the issue of syncing two systems come into play.
    NOT ideal.

    I've heard no other user mentioning music is it just me that finds this ?? :lease:
     

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