It seems to me that Nobody is interested in ONkyo and HK products. They seems to be little bit more expensive than DEnon or Marantz for what they offer. I remember there use to be a time in AMP (not AV) people will on say Sansui, Techich or at high end QUAd/Mission or Tandberg. I think people should give consideration to Onkyo especialy. If you open the unit one will see the quality of material used. People are mesmerised by Denon and Marantz to some extent just their price is little bit reasonable.