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Once Upon a Time in America

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  1. mcmullanbrush

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    I love this film:)

    I sold my VHS copy with the rest of my videos over two years ago. Not having it in my collection has been painful:(

    I got the region 0 DVD from CDWow for 11.99.

    It is the 227 minute version and has been remastered into 5.1.

    It is 4:3 but the good thing is its full frame, not pan and scan, so I could mask it down myself to its correct ratio if I wish to.

    The picture quality is quite good really, it hasnt been tidied up or anything but considering its age, I was very happy. I was projecting it to a diagonal size of about 70inches.

    I am now a happy brushy:D
     
  2. bobbles

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    great film

    Is the version you have the one that originates from Greece

    not sure if it is me but i am sure the audio is very slightly out of sync for the last hour

    I am not arguing mind you
     
  3. mcmullanbrush

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    Yes arsey, it's the Greek one.

    I only watched the first hour last night, so the end may well have sync problems.

    It may well be years before we get anything better though:(
     
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    It's just after Joe Pesci first comes into i noticed

    I only realised after watching on the dvd that the young Deborah Markowitz was played by a very young Jennifer Connolly

    I was rather pleased to receive the dvd earlier this week because the release date according to cd-wow was 27th August :)
     
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    I too love this masterpiece of a movie and have been
    'champing at the bit' to see it on dvd.
    I bought a copy from cdwow and was a bit dissapointed
    coz' it seemed a bit budgety, sort of tacky or something.
    I was hoping for a much more polished release, especially
    with this amazing masterpiece that I have always rated
    2nd best mob movie to The Godfather trio.
    I must admit the picture quality wasn't the worst I've
    ever seen, it was a bit grainey especially in the dark
    scenes, had to bring the contrast & brightness down
    a bit so that black looked black etc.
    Being fullscreen was a bit of a downer. I've a vhs copy
    looks like ws 1.85:1 , I don't like fullscreen movies unless
    they were fullscreen to begin with, that I can live with.
    I watched the movie right to the end and must say it
    wasn't too bad! Sound quality was acceptable!!

    I notice that both Futureent.com & dvdconcept.com are
    advertising 'Once Upon a Time in America' on Region 1
    with a release date of 20th August! They give the specs
    as being widsreen 2.35:1 anamorphic!!
    I certainly hope they've got their facts correct.

    Anybody else got any more information on this???

    loz99
     
  6. mcmullanbrush

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    Many dealers say it is widescreen, others say not.

    The catalogue number given on the Futureent site is the same as my copy.

    Due to all the complications with the rights to this film, I believe the only versions available are this Greek one and the Brazillian one.

    I hope all this changes soon
     
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    "...They give the specs as being widsreen 2.35:1 anamorphic!!"

    ...erm... UOATIA may have been shown in cinemas at 1.66:1 or 1.85:1 or anything in-between - but it never was a 2.35:1 movie!... trust me (I saw it when it was 'new', way back when I was a lot younger)!...

    . . . :eek: . . .
     
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    European is quite correct.

    Having watched the first hour of the full frame, I would have thought 1.66 : 1 is the most likely aspect ratio.
     
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    Bouught it couple of weeks ago from play R2 only 4:3 but a great film.
     
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    Hi Guys,
    Futureent.com do state 2.35:1 AR but I think they have
    been misinformed somewhere along the way.
    I have a recording of the movie from Sky Movies or
    Film 4 and it is definitely widescreen but it looks like
    1.85:1 to me and I compared this with the dvd
    I just got from cdwow which seems to be Fullscreen 4:3.
    It's obvious from the opening scene where Eve gets shot
    on the bed, just before the hitman shoots her,when Mandy
    asks "Where is He? - Where is He Hiding?". On the VHS copy
    you can see all 3 hitmen all together in the same frame
    (just after Mandy smashes Noodle's picture frame).
    On dvd version the guy on the right hand side is missing.
    After Eve says "I don't know", only then do you see the
    third guy coming into frame (dude with moustache who
    then slaps her).
    I'm no genius but It's obvious my video recording shows
    much more either side so it must be widescreen 1.85
    at least ,which I personally would just love on dvd!!

    Here is the specs from dvdconcept.com :-

    Once Upon a Time in America (1984).
    EDITION DETAILS
    • Starring: Joe Pesci, Robert De Niro, James Woods, Jennifer Connelly, Elizabeth McGovern
    • Directed By: Sergio Leone
    • Rated: R
    • DVD Release Date: 20/08/2002
    • Original Year Released: 1984
    • Regional Encoding: 1
    • Aspect Ratio(s): Anamorphic Widescreen
    WideScreen 1.85:1 Aspect Ratio
    • Audio Track(s): Dolby Digital 5.1 Surround (English)
    • Number of Discs: 1
    • Running Time: 143 minutes
    • Product ID: DVD8740
    • UPC Number: 5847733219911

    Any more feedback from you guys is more than welcome!!
    The Catalogue no. on futureent.com is indeed the same
    as the one on the spine of the dvd I've just purchased
    from cdwow!!

    loz99
     
  11. mcmullanbrush

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    They may have "made up" some of the specs.

    The running time they advertise reflects the cut running time of the US theatrical release.

    It should read 226 I think
     
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    Maybe it's a different release of the heavily cut down US theatrical version which ran for about 2.5 hours instead of the "complete" 227min version.
     
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    Having watched the middle 2 hours last night, I must urge caution with this disc.

    I was clearly incorrect to say it was 4:3 full frame:( It has been panned and scanned, although it appears to be from the full frame rather than from the widescreen picture.

    My disc freezes at the layer change:mad: and as was mentioned above, the lip sync goes very badly wrong when Joe Pesci appears.

    I realise that Joe Pesci often gives the impression that there is a lip sync problem, but this is terrible.

    Oh well, maybe it will get a decent release before I die
     
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    Mine froze aswell arounf chapter 21 :eek:
    this might be a return job then.
     
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    yeah mine froze too during the joe pesci scene but i skipped forward a chapter then back and it was ok

    the lip sync was far more annoying

    but this is the best that is available so there isn't a lot we can do about it
     
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    I have the ntsc warner bros laserdisc of this film. It is one of about 20 discs I never got rid of, along with Once Upon A Time in the West and A Fistful Of Dynamite-2 more from Sergio Leone
    OUATIA is 1.85:1. I've looked at this side by side with dvd.
    The dvd is missing quite alot at the sides. More than I expected.
    Hope this may be of help.
     
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    Nice one Wicky1!!
    Confirms all my suspicions!! :(
    I think this dvd version is missing 25% - 50% visible picture and for this super movie it's cruel!! It's just not on is it??
    When I think of what a good job was done on Godfather I,II & III
    (Although not perfect!!) I'ts sad to see my 2nd Favourite Mob
    Movie in such a pathetic slipshod & tacky format.
    This movie should have got the full works like godfather!!
    Lets shout it from the rooftops ' IT'S A BLOODY DISCRACE!!'
    (I know Mob movies are bloody to begin with!!)

    My Favourite Mob/Mafia/Gangster/OC Movies:-
    Godfather
    Godfather II
    Godfather III
    Once Upon a Time in America
    Goodfellas
    Casino
    Donnie Brasco
    The Untouchables
    The Sicilian
    The Last Don I & II (Mario Puzzo Classic made for TV)
    Hoodlum
    Dillinger - This is a GEM!!
    Bonnie & Clyde
    Heat
    The Friends of Eddie Coyle (not on dvd yet :( )
    The Brothers Rico (made for tv movie)
    The ST Valentines Day Massacre (Stieger)
    Analyse This - Very good fun poke at the Genre)
    Micky Blue Eyes - Good Fun but not as good as AT!

    Anyone know any more great mob movies, I'm open
    to any reccomends???

    loz99
     
  18. mcmullanbrush

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    Try Millers Crossing if you can find it.

    The Coen brothers do gangsters.

    An excellent film
     
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    i would 2nd Miller's Crossing it is a fantastic film my 2nd fav Coen Brothers film after the big lebowski and that is saying something as they make superb films
     
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    Thanks for the tip!!
    Tried to find Miller's Crossing it doesn't exist on dvd.
    Looked it up on Internet Movie database and it sounds
    good but familiar. I might have seen part of this on tv
    ages ago.
    I'll keep this one in mind!!

    Just got the made for tv movie series The Last Don &
    Last Don II written by Mario Puzzo for £16 from DvdSoon.
    Took about a week to reach me from Canada.
    This is a smashing show. If you (like me) love a good
    mob movie then get this immediately!! It's about £15 on
    most other sites just for Last Don on it's own!!
    £16 for both of them inc' pp is a fantastic bargain!!


    Any more mob recommends are more than welcome!!

    loz99
     
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    Glad to be of help loz99.
    I too liked The Friends of Eddie Coyle.
    Another gangster film I liked was The Yakuza also starring Robert Michum. It was written by Leonard and Paul Schrader with Robert Towne.
    How can anyone not love the first 2 Godfather movies? But come on The Godfather pt3, surely not.
     
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    Hi Wick1,
    GF3 was not as good as GF1 & GF2.
    There was much too long a gap between it and GF2 in years,it's tragic that Coppola never made a GF3,GF4 etc in those years in between. There was so much potential material to work with,what with Mario Puzzo still living at the time. It's sad that the oportunities were never seized!! We all know he went on to do other things e.g. Braham Stoker's Dracula, Apocalypse Now etc, great movies they were too!
    Judging Godfather III on it's own merits:-
    I personally am glad it was made however late it was.
    The storyline was good (the ending a bit hard to take tho').
    The film itself seemed to be a final farewell to the saga, I don't
    think a GF4 at this time would be easy to do, not without Puzzo!!
    rumours of such a project suggested De Caprio doing a Young Santino Corleone??? I think De Caprio is grossly overated as an actor, would be highly unsuitable. Maybe Edward Burns??
    I liked Godfather 3 for several reasons :-
    It was good to see some old faces again like Pacino,Shire,Richard Bright, Al Martino, Lucy Mancini. Then some very good newer ones Andy Garcia, Joe Mantegna,John Savage,George Hamilton & Sophia Coppola & The Absolutely Brilliant ELI WALLACH (forever remembered for the Fantastic role as TUCO in GBU!!).
    The music by Carmine Coppola was gorgeous!!
    It's a beautifully constructed storyline and superb acting ,if one tries to judge this movie on it's own merits and watches it a few more times, one might grow to love it like I do!!
    Go On give it A Chance!!

    loz99
     
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    HI,

    I know it's not likely to ever get a DVD release, but there's an excellent Italian/US mafia movie, which I have, called "Blood Ties".

    It stars Vincent Spano and Brad Davies, and was directed by Giacomo Battiato in 1986. YOu can find the 97 minute US-movie version in second-hand stores and ex-rental places quite frequently. However, keep an eye on late-night ITV, as the movie was originally just short of 4 hours!!!

    You see, it was originally made for TV, in four hour-long episodes. It's been shown twice so far, on late-night ITV, and will probably turn-up again at some point in the future. It's really worth taping, and certainly an interesting movie.

    Pooch
     
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    Thanks Lads for the Reccos!!

    Got hocked on mob movies way back in late sixties,
    loved Cagney & Bogey but really got the bug with
    the old B/W Television series called 'The Untouchables'
    Starring Robert Stack. This Series was just fantastic,
    it was so authentic. Based on real events & real people.
    I'm not sure who narrated the series but this added to
    the realism. It would be a fantastic series to create again
    especially with colour tv etc. There must have been about
    50 -60 episodes in this old sixties series, just unmissable!!

    Any you guys ever watch it when it was re-run a few years ago?

    loz99
     

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