On a "region-free" DVD player, would you buy American or European DVDs?

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  1. Kain

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    On a "region-free" DVD player, would you buy American DVDs or European DVDs? Meaning, if you were buying "Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace," would you buy the American Region 1 DVD or the European/UK Region 2 DVD?

    If you ask me, I would probably buy American Region 1 DVDs because they tend to have DTS soundtracks while European Region 2 DVDs tend to have Dolby Digital soundtracks of the same movie.

    By the way, keep shipping/price out of this. Pretend that the Region 1 and Region 2 DVDs were exactly the same price.

    So, which one would you buy?
     
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    Hi,


    If thedvds are the same with extras, sound, price, get the uk r2 versions. PAL version for the UK PAL system, more lines me thinks. Slightly better picture ?, well if you can tell.


    rai
     
  3. gringottsdirect

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    Kain,
    I use the comparison web sites which state which region R1, R2, sometimes R4, has the best value.
    Depends from film to film which is best, extras, cuts, DTS etc.
    I used to hunt DTS, but after many comparisons, sometimes the version with fewer cuts or more extras I choose instead.
     
  4. Kain

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    Thanks.

    Please tell me wheater I should get the Region 1 or Region 2 versions for the following DVDs:

    1. Star Wars: Episode I - The Phantom Menace.
    2. The Matrix.
    3. The Fifth Element.
    4. Saving Private Ryan.
    5. Jurassic Park.
    6. Air Force One.
    7. U-571.
     
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    Thanks!
     
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    The Fifth Element is available as a "Superbit" title, which has excellent sound and picture quality.
     
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    1. SW - Don't know- bought R1 as cheaper
    2. Matrix R1/4. R2 has all head-butts cut & no commentary
    3. R1 Superbit - Outstanding pic/DTS
    4. R1 DTS
    5.Don't know; R1 DTS available; My R2 DD sounds fine though.
    6.Haven't a clue
    7. R1 DTS & correct aspect ratio
     
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    Regarding The Matrix, I have heard that the R4 has a slightly better transfer than the R1. Not seen the two to compare them though.

    Anyway, the R4 is £10.99 delivered @ cd-wow.com ;)
     
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    I have the R4; never seen the R1 but I have heard the same thing.

    The R4 is not in a 'snapper' case either...(Not that I care)
     
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    Air Force One also has a Superbit version. :)
     
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    You know you're not allowed signatures like that anymore Kain. Gotta be all on 2 or 3 lines. :)
     
  13. Kain

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    Oh, sorry. I'll get rid of it. :)
     
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    Since you're still deciding on a TV it wouldn't hurt to thing about progressive scan as well since the image quality would be a lot better on region 1 DVDs. I'm sure the DV88 could handle prog.scan if upgraded...
     
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    I think that "Superbit" is just marketing speak for what has already been and can be done.
    They use a higher bit rate for the picture and only have one language in dd and DTS. This is not new, but is a welcome trend anyway. I am not against "Superbit". It is just that other companies do this to some extent already. Some of my DVD's have very high bit rates (around 8-10 mbits), although I only have 2 with DTS at present.
    :p :devil: :devil: :devil: :p
     
  17. Kain

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    What are your concerns about what the guys at the AVS Forum are saying about PAL versions?
    Check out the link to the full thread I posted to see the whole thing.
     
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    Then I say 3:2 pulldown (applies to NTSC sources in progressive scan). ;)

    The real solution is conversion of all film-based material to 72fps, correctly synched with the soundtrack.
    Again, NTSC discs are the correct source to do this properly.


    That last part of the statement sounds like rubbish but the actual idea is perhaps not too bad:

    A film isn't NTSC and if we are talking a new frame rate you crate a new format (so it doesn't have to be NTSC); it may have less flicker, no 3:2 pulldown and no audio speedup but I wonder what effect the required 3:3 pulldown would have?
    Besides, all display devices (TV, plasma, projector etc.) would need to be made compatible, something which I believe is pretty much impossible from an economical point of view.

    Personally I would support such an improvement but try to convince Joe Public just because of what I guess is considered a minor issue (to Joe) to buy all new equipment, especially in parts of the world where HDTV is no starting up.
     
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    Just going back a bit; R2 (and R4) Phantom Menace has a slightly better transfer than the R1. There's less edge enhancement on the R2 transfer.

    (Generally I tend to buy R1 versions of US TV shows, but R2 versions of films because the 3:2 pulldown does annoy me more than the 4% PAL speedup.)
     
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    You need to prioritise what you think is important.

    For me it is:

    1 - Anamorphic widescreen
    2 - DTS soundtrack availability?
    3 - Cuts made to the film
    4 - Price
    5 - Extras

    With R1 titles costing about £4 less than R2 and with most R1 titles having anamorphic widescreen nowadays, i tend to find R1 is my main source.
     
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    Kain,

    I followed your link and think that magking might feel a little aggrieved at your comment that "I found two nice websites that compare different region DVDs"

    Credit where credit's due please.
     
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    On a player that is not multiregion, but region free, you should be careful buying R1 DVDs. RCE works most effectively against region free players.

    RCE discs will only play on R1 players. Multiregion players, when playing R1 titles, are in fact R1 players. Region free players are of no specific region, and will be hit by RCE.
     
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    Yeah, quite a nice bit of technology really since it asks the DVD player is its multiregion or not. Still most chips offer a bypass on RCE titles but I have yet to test it for myself.
     
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    I laways though the bit rate of dts and DD i higher on region 1 discs which would be importnat to me.
     
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    This AUS site is even better than dvdcompare or bytesandbobs as they truly test the picture and sound michaeldvd.

    Although, I am not sure what test equipment they use, and if they test it in progressive scan mode.

    Also - dvdbasen is equally good source to michaeldvd. They link to all reviews on the net on all dvd's released on all regions. It takes more time to read through the endless reviews, however, the result at the end of the day is that you find that there are many websites that tests the picture and audio, some in less detail and some in more detail, but also you can find superb comparison tests of region vs region - e.g. this army of darkness R1 vs R2 vs R3 - dvdbeaver

    Again, it would be nice if all websites would state what equipment they use when they test as it really affects the judgement on video/audio. If it didn't differ, we wouldn't have this forum ;p

    The winner website would be one that uses benchmark equipment, generally agreed by e.g. avforums or avsforum :clap:

    Wasabi
     

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