OMG Format wars!!

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  1. IanW

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    So we are all used to format wars:

    Betamax v VHS
    Vinyl v CD
    HD-DVD v Blu Ray

    But things seem to be getting out of hand and I cannot help but think that this is impacting adoption more than ever. There are now four different versions of HDR!

    4K Seems to have been talked about forever, but only feels like it is becoming a reality (although HDR seems to remain unsettled), with real content and players finally coming to market. What seems mad though is that people have been buying 4K TVs for a number of years now with no content, now the content is becoming available, their TV sets might not even be compatible. 4K content is finally starting to arrive and the industry is now already starting to talk about 8K.

    I get it that hardware companies need to keeping mixing things up to get people to purchase new equipment, but I do wonder at what point this becomes self defeating?

    I am desperately wanting to upgrade our cinema to 4K, but projectors are still not widely available (yes there are a few around, but the lack of competition is making them too expensive) as players and quality content is only just starting to ramp up.

    What do others think?

    Ian.

    P.S. Sorry rant over! :)
     
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    same as you I am wanting to upgrade to 4K but have been holding off waiting for things to stabilise properly, too little content and the major TV companies still do not even have full 1080P HD transmitted.
    So options are to spend another small fortune on replacing your bluray collection with 4K versions if available or limited streaming in 4K from the likes of Amazon.
     
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    They need to sort sh*t out. My living room is being renovated this year, and we'll be putting a projector and screen in for film nights. And i don't want an empty space where the projector will sit!
     
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    The BBC transmits "1080p25" when it wants a "film look" (eg. on BBC1 HD) - or more accurately that's what their encoder switches to when it thinks it receives 25Hz content.
     
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    As an aside, I never considered Vinyl vs CD as a format war, CD killed off the audio cassette, Vinyl is still going.

    I don't get this either:
    No-one is forcing us to upgrade our equipment just yet, lots of people are happily surviving on DVD players.
     
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    This is very true, not sure how many of them would be on here though? ;)
     
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    Touche :D:thumbsup:
     
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    War? Have I missed something?

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    :laugh:
     
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    When you're out of the loop for a while i.e a few years, then it all becomes one big minefield all over again.

    For example, Sony have just announced their new OLED display which, I assumed, would now be their new 'top of the range'...but no. According to one of Sony's own reps, their Z9 (LCD) is still their flagship.

    Just when you think it's safe to upgrade that Kuro finally, it all becomes a vast compendium of views/reviews/personal opinions/sales spiel...yet again.
     
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    Patience my young Padawan, patience...
     
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    There's always something new just round the corner...so it's either be patient and wait, or jump in and buy.

    Wait for how long though? You could die tomorrow. ;)
     
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    I might, in which case I'd be really pissed off I ordered a new TV to be delivered on Tuesday :rotfl:
     
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    I'd like to upgrade to 4K but have decided to exercise restraint until my 50th birthday in two and a half years time.

    I'm content for now with my Panasonic 65VT30 plasma.

    I remember the stress I went through before I got this TV, going through about three Samsung sets before abandoning the brand and going for the pricier Panny.

    It's THE best TV I've ever had and therefore makes me feel less of a need to go 4K right now.

    As has been mentioned, the differing technologies and standards that are yet to be finalized and decided upon is also a huge reason to hold off.
     
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    Pretty sure there's an LG TV that supports all the differing formats.
     
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    I do. Manufacturers just shout out bigger and bigger numbers and the uninformed general public fall for it and keep buying the latest stuff. Of course they're not forced to, but hey....everybody wants the latest stuff.
     
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    I think that the term "format war" is a bit over hyped for the varying HDR formats. It is nothing like VHS vs Betamax or HD-DVD vs Bluray. With those "wars" if you had gone with one option then you could not play content from the other. You couldn't get a player that would play HD DVD and Bluray.

    With HDR all TVs support the underlying HDR 10 format. We will probably see all 2017 TVs and many 2016 sets also support HLG for broadcast as well.

    So the only question is whether you choose a TV that will additionally support DV - which may offer a slightly better HDR experience. If you get a TV without DV and DV takes off it is not as if you will be left with a white elephant.

    For me we are simply in a time of rapid new development for TV standards as new tech enables improvements to the viewing experience. This is to be expected as HDR is such a new technology.

    For anyone waiting for the pace of change to slow down I doubt that they will get much joy as we have new tech such as the following still to come:

    High frame rates - over 50/60hz
    HDMI 2.1
    Dynamic HDR 10
    Colour space widening to Rec2020
    HDR mastered to higher nits.
     
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    If you're aiming for a fully featured 4K projector then the empty space will be in your wallet :p
     
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    Same - I used to be really on top of it all but now it's getting beyond me. Very happy with the picture on my Sony projector and have no desire to replace kit or start buying media again, so have moved into a mode where I will replace things as and when they break :) Although will probably get a 4K projector when they are reasonably priced (like 1/3 of current prices) and the format has settled down and the content is widely/cheaply available.
     
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    Pfffffftt, ima gonna rob a bank.
     
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    I'm not sure I agree with this. CDs did kill off vinyl, but there's been a very recent uptake of vinyl again. Mainly by the 'It sounds sooo much better on vinyl' brigade. If you mean it crackles a bit like in the olden days, then yes it does sound better. If you mean it sounds better, no it doesn't.

    I can't for the life of me ever see VHS films coming back into fashion - 'Wow, would you check out those tracking lines running up the screen, lemme just adjust those with this little dial' :rotfl:
     
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    OMG - Flashback!! :rotfl:
     
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    i'm not sure I agree with this :).Did CD's kill of Vinyl, given they continued to co-exist with CD's and then made a comeback? was it not the cassette that CD's killed?
     
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    I've bought 3 x 4k TV's in the last 18 months and I have to say they are all excellent sets and I'm really happy with the upgrades and performance.

    After reading the recent CES show coverage though, I've now come to realise that the 3 TV's are in fact a complete bucket of sh!t and are soooooo last year :eek: 9th January and all out of date now!

    Wait till I get my hands on the members on here that suggested I should buy them - fecking douche bags the lot of them - grrrr! ;)
     
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    CD replaced Vinyl/tape as the main form of home music consumption - Vinyl still had a few USPs though so hung around then picked up for various reasons. Now CD is being killed off by streaming.
     
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    so in terms of killing it was cassette, not vinyl.
     
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    Cassette was killed. Vinyl merely mortally wounded :)
     
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    Yep - I'm sure it'll be fine :D
     
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    No LPs were hurt in the addition of the CD format to this household :D
     
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