Official Panasonic 2010 UK HDTV Product information & pricing thread - part 1

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This is the official Panasonic product and pricing thread for the 2010 models. Please keep all discussion of these new TVs in this thread only.

We are at the European launch event and will update the thread with pricing information and video footage as soon as we can.

Panasonic 2010 VIERA Flat-Panel TV Line-up Delivers a Thrilling New Viewing Experience


Munich, Germany (February 15, 2010) – Panasonic has recently announced the launch of its VIERA series of flat-panel plasma and LCD TVs for 2010. The new VIERA models have evolved from last year's models, highlighted by 3D TVs that deliver a spectacular new viewing experience to the home. The new line-up includes five plasma TV series (including one Full HD 3D series) and eight LCD TV series (three of them with LED backlighting technology). Combining superior performance with attractive functions, the new models offer the exceptional image quality VIERA is renowned for, along with economical operation made possible by panels that boost luminous efficiency and smart networking functions that improve user ease and convenience.

Neo PDP

Drawing on Panasonic's latest, most advanced NeoPDP technology, new VIERA plasma models boast higher efficiency, better image quality and lower power consumption than their predecessors. They incorporate newly developed panels that use a new filter, new discharge gas, improved phosphor, and redesigned cell structure. The new NeoPDP technology dramatically improves basic image quality – for example, it boosts contrast and provides smoother motion images thanks to the innovative 600Hz Sub-field Drive technology. In addition, high-speed drive technology drastically cuts the time it takes for the light emission to reach peak brightness, and a new phosphor shortens afterglow time by about one-thirds, thus making NeoPDP ideal for sports, movies and gaming.

IPS LED LCD

VIERA LCD TVs use advanced IPS panels with a larger aperture ratio. Panasonic's IPS LED LCD provides improved contrast, wide viewing angle and high moving-picture resolution, so that even fast-moving objects are displayed with superb clarity. This system helps render exquisitely beautiful images with enhanced depth and crisp blacks while reducing power consumption and allowing a slim product design of only 1.5 inches at the thinnest section.


Features
FULL HD 3D Technology


Panasonic's FULL HD 3D system uses the frame sequential method, in which separate full-HD images are displayed alternately for the left and right eyes. In synch with the images displayed, the 3D eyewear opens and closes left and right LCD shutters. The viewer's brain then naturally reconstructs the separate images to create FULL HD 3D images. Panasonic's new VIERA models display high-resolution FULL HD 3D images. Because the new NeoPDP technology boosts light emission speed and reduces afterglow, overlapping of the right-eye and left-eye images is minimised, so there is minimal after-imaging. This system far surpasses previous 3D technologies. With Panasonic's FULL HD 3D, viewers enjoy exquisitely beautiful images with an incredibly powerful 3D effect.

Freesat and Freeview HD

Building on the success of its award-winning series of Freesat models, not only has Panasonic increased its Freesat offering, but the sets also now feature Freeview HD, providing consumers with a convenient, subscription free way* of watching their favourite soaps and dramas, documentaries and even the 2010 World Cup in full HD glory.

Models in the Freesat/Freeview HD line-up:

Plasma
TX-P65VT20B
TX-P50VT20B
TX-P50V20B
TX-P42V20B
TX-P50G20B
TX-P46G20B
TX-P42G20B
TX-L42D25B
TX-L37D25B

LCD
TX-L37V20B
TX-L37D28BS
TX-L32D28BS
TX-L32D28BW
TX-L32D28BP
TX-L37G20B
TX-L32G20B

Freeview HD only

TX-P50S20B TX-L37S20B
TX-P46S20B TX-L32S20B
TX-P42S20B


(*Following a one off installation payment for Freesat services)


High Picture Quality

VIERA NeoPDP plasma TVs boast a native contrast ratio of 5,000,000 to 1. Thanks to Panasonic's new NeoPDP technology, the plasma panels incorporated in these models boost luminous efficiency, improve peak brightness and substantially reduce preliminary discharge. Using "Infinite Black Pro" technology, these advanced panels deliver exceptionally deep, rich black levels that draw the viewer into the picture. They also use the new High Contrast Filter that minimises glare and reflection from external lights, so the picture is clear and vibrant even in bright viewing environments. The 600-Hz Sub-Field Drive Intelligent Frame Creation Pro technology provides moving-picture resolution of 1080 lines. The high-speed light emission and short afterglow achieved by the new NeoPDP technology reduce after-imaging. Fast-moving subjects are extremely sharp and clear, so viewers enjoy beautiful, comfortable, blur-free viewing of motor car racing scenes, sports events and action movies. VIERA plasma TVs are THX Certified Displays, meaning that they meet the industry's most rigourous performance standards. They reproduce images exactly as the filmmaker intended -- in natural, vibrant cinematic colour.

This year's VIERA LCD TVs feature an IPS LED LCD that boasts a dynamic contrast ratio of 2,000,000 to 1. An IPS panel with a high aperture ratio, a bright LED backlight and precise area drive control combine to ensure that even tiny lights in dark scenes – such as stars in the night sky – are clear and sharp. Also, the 200 backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation function achieves a moving-picture resolution of 800 lines, so motion images – typically a weakness of LCDs – are clear, smooth and beautiful. And with its wide viewing angle, the IPS panel delivers stunning images to viewers virtually anywhere in the living room.

Smart Networking

The 2010 VIERA TV models offer improved network functions that make it possible to use the TV in a variety of fun ways. VIERA CAST, a function that lets users view Internet content in their living rooms, has been enhanced by the addition of new content. Connecting an optional camera allows Skype users to view the other party's image on the large VIERA TV screen as they converse. Acetrax allows viewers to watch a variety of movies at home through a video-on-demand service. As in previous models, 2010 VIERA TVs allow interactive viewing of Internet content such as YouTube, Picasa and Eurosport without a personal computer.

All VIERA TV models are equipped with an SD card slot. Insert an SD card containing still photos or moving images, and the VIERA Image Viewer function lets you view the images on the large screen. New with 2010 models, this function can also play MP3 format music files. The background music and display effect functions have also been enhanced, so viewers can create more entertaining slideshows not only for themselves, but also to view with family, friends or other large groups.

Also new in 2010, many VIERA models come equipped with two USB ports and are WiFi ready, by using a dongle for wireless VIERA CAST access. Motion and still images, video and music stored on a PC can be copied onto a USB memory device and easily viewed on the VIERA screen. The USB port also allows recording to an external hard disk drive.

The new VIERA line-up includes models that can be connected to an iPod and iPhone; these models come with an iPod dock for easy connection. VIERA's graphical user interface (GUI) is designed to be as easy and stylish as the iPod. People can use their VIERA TV to listen to and view music, photos and videos on their iPod, and they can use the VIERA remote control unit to operate the iPod.

VIERA Link, which allows the VIERA remote control to operate devices connected via HDMI cables to the VIERA TV, has been enhanced for even greater flexibility. In previous home cinema systems, it was necessary to connect separate cables for audio and video signals from the TV. The new ARC (Audio Return Channel) function, lets you output the digital sound of the TV's integrated Tuner to a compatible receiver through only one HDMI-cable.


Eco-Friendly Products

Thanks to technology that greatly improves luminous efficiency, Panasonic's 2010 VIERA plasma TVs are much more energy-efficient than their predecessors. Power consumption has been reduced by up to 35%, compared with last year's models. Committed to providing environment-friendly products, Panasonic also continues to use lead-free panels and long-life 100,000-hour panels that help save resources.

Thanks to the company's advanced IPS LED LCD technology, Panasonic LED LCD TVs lead the industry in energy-saving performance. VIERA LCD TVs deliver stunningly beautiful images while minimising power consumption.
VIERA TVs also feature an Eco Control function that uses VIERA Link. This function automatically turns off connected devices when the TV is switched off. The function can also automatically set inactive devices to standby mode to further conserve energy.


Outline of the 2010 Series Line-Up

VT20 Series

Being the first FULL HD 3D TV series in the Panasonic line-up, the VT20 Series stands out with its unsurpassed image quality. The series includes 65-inch and 50-inch models. All feature 600Hz Sub-field Drive Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, 1080 Lines Moving Picture Resolution, Infinite Black Pro (Native Contrast of Over 5,000,000:1), VIERA CAST and lots of other networking functions. This year's top-of-the-line VT20 Series models boast a stylish look with their brown keynote colour based on the metallic concept. Combining FULL HD 3D technology, extensive high-image-quality features, advanced networking functions that enhance entertainment, and attractive styling, the VT20 Series is truly high-end in every way.

V20 Series

The V20 Series of Plasma TVs includes 50-inch and 42-inch models. This series boasts many of the same high-image-quality features and technologies as the top-of-the-line VT20 Series, including 600Hz Sub-field Drive Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, 1080 Lines Moving Picture Resolution, Infinite Black Pro (Native Contrast of Over 5,000,000:1), THX Certified Display, and Digital Cinema Colour. They also feature a host of link functions that enhance entertainment, led by VIERA CAST, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture and music playback, and VIERA Link. This series will fully satisfy movie aficionados and discriminating users who insist on the highest image quality. A cabinet with sophisticated titanium colour, slim 2-inch profile, and metallic concept design give these models an unusually elegant and stately presence.
The VIERA V20 LCD TV Series comprises high-end 42-inch and 37-inch IPS LED LCD TVs. Both models feature 200 Backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, dynamic contrast of 2,000,000:1 with Intelligent Scene Controller, and an advanced IPS panel that assures superior image quality over a wide viewing angle. Taking full advantage of Panasonic's leading IPS LED LCD technology, these models deliver exquisitely beautiful images. They also feature a variety of link functions, including VIERA CAST, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture and music playback, and VIERA Link. As with V20 plasma models, V20 LCD models are extremely elegant in appearance with their titanium colour, slim cabinet and metallic concept design.

D28 Series

The VIERA D28 Series features 37-inch, 32-inch, 22-inch and 19-inch IPS LED LCD TVs. The 37-inch and 32-inch models have Full HD capability and feature 200 Backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, dynamic contrast of 2,000,000:1 with Intelligent Scene Controller, an IPS panel with a wide viewing angle, VIERA CAST, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture and music playback, and VIERA Link. The 22-inch and 19-inch models have HD capability and come equipped with a special dock that makes it easy to connect an iPod or iPhone and play back stored music, still images and video.
In appearance, the D28 Series features a slim, 1.5-inch profile and a stylish photo frame design. Models are available in white, purple and silver to match a variety of interior colour schemes.

D25 Series

The VIERA D25 Series comprises 42-inch, 37-inch and 32-inch IPS LED LCD TVs. All models feature Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, dynamic contrast of 2,000,000:1 with Intelligent Scene Controller, an IPS panel with a wide viewing angle, VIERA CAST, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture and music playback, and VIERA Link. The D25 Series has an attractive appearance with a slim, stylish 1.5-inch cabinet.

G20 Series

The VIERA G20 Plasma TV Series comes in 50-inch, 46-inch and 42-inch models. Incorporating advanced NeoPDP technology, these step-up models deliver superior image quality and come equipped with a host of entertainment-enhancing link functions. All G20 models feature 600Hz Sub-field Drive Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, 1080 Lines Moving Picture Resolution, Infinite Black (Native Contrast of 5,000,000:1), VIERA CAST, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture and music playback, and VIERA Link.
The VIERA G20 LCD TV Series comes in 37-inch and 32-inch models. All feature 200 Backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, an IPS Alpha Panel with a wide viewing angle, dynamic contrast of 100,000:1 with Intelligent Scene Controller, VIERA Cast, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture and music playback, and VIERA Link.


S20 Series


The VIERA S20 Plasma TV Series comes in 50-inch, 46-inch and 42-inch models. All models are full-HD. Recommended for those who want an ideal balance of performance and features, this series has 600Hz Sub-field Drive Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, 1080 Lines Moving Picture Resolution, native contrast of 2,000,000:1, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture playback, and VIERA Link.
The VIERA S20 LCD TV Series comes in 37-inch and 32-inch models. All feature 100Hz Intelligent Frame Creation Pro, an IPS Alpha Panel with a wide viewing angle, dynamic contrast of 100,000:1 with Intelligent Scene Controller, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture playback, and VIERA Link.


X20 (Plasma and LCD) and X25 (LCD only) Series (X25 only available in DACH countries)

Available in 50-inch, 42-inch and 37-inch models, the VIERA X20 Plasma TV Series delivers the highest image quality in the HD class. These models use eco-friendly plasma panels that are lead-free and offer a long, 100,000-hour service life. Other features include 100-Hz Double Scan, dynamic contrast of 2,000,000:1, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture playback, and VIERA Link.
The VIERA X20 LCD TV Series comes in 32-inch, 26-inch and 22-inch models. The X25 Series (only available in DACH countries) features a 32-inch model and is equipped with 100-Hz Intelligent Frame Creation. The 32-inch models are equipped with IPS Alpha* Panels with a wide viewing angle, dynamic contrast of 50,000:1, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture playback, and VIERA Link

C20 (LCD TV) Series

The VIERA C20 LCD TV Series is available in 32-inch, 26-inch and 19-inch models, with dynamic contrast of 40,000:1, VIERA Image Viewer for motion picture playback, and VIERA Link.
*Only L32C20

VIERA has evolved dramatically for 2010, thanks to new NeoPDP technology (Plasma TV models) and Panasonic's IPS LED LCD (LCD TV models). The extensive line-up assures that there is a VIERA model with the right combination of performance and features to satisfy anyone's needs. VIERA TVs do more than simply provide beautiful images. They incorporate features and functions that expand entertainment, enrich lifestyles, and give people creative new ways to enjoy TV. In image quality, networking features, eco-friendly operation and design, Panasonic's new VIERA models for 2010 set the industry standard in total TV performance.

Main Features

PDP VT20 Series
TX-P65VT20B / TX-P50VT20B

Picture Quality
• FULL HD 3D with 2 pairs of 3D Eyewear included
• Infinite Black Pro with Native Contrast Over 5,000,000:1
• 600Hz Sub-field Drive* Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines**
• THX® Certified Display***
• 24p Smooth Film
• ISFccc
Freeview HD
Freesat HD



Networking
• VIERA CAST
• DLNA certified
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2/DivXHD/AAC/MP3 )
• VIERA Link
• USB Terminals for Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and HDD Recording****
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio ProSurround

Eco
• Mercury and Lead Free Panel
• Long Panel Life, Up to 100,000 Hours
• Eco Mode


*When using cinema mode.
**Based on APDC measurement method.
***THX and the THX logo are trademarks of THX Ltd. which may be registered in some jurisdictions. All rights reserved.
**** Keyboard and Hard disk drive are not included.



PDP V20 Series
TX-P50V20B / TX-P42V20B

Picture Quality
Freeview HD
Freesat HD
• Infinite Black Pro with Native Contrast Over 5,000,000:1
• 600Hz Sub-field Drive* Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines**
• THX® Certified Display***
• Digital Cinema Colour
• 24p Smooth Film
• ISFccc
Networking
• VIERA CAST
• DLNA certified
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2/DivXHD/AAC/MP3 )
• VIERA Link
• USB Terminals for Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and HDD Recording****
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio ProSurround

Eco
• Mercury and Lead Free Panel
• Long Panel Life, Up to 100,000 Hours
• Eco Mode

*When using cinema mode.
**Based on APDC measurement method.
***THX and the THX logo are trademarks of THX Ltd. which may be registered in some jurisdictions. All rights reserved.
**** Keyboard and Hard disk drive are not included.


LCD V20 Series
TX-L42V20B / TX-L37V20B

Picture Quality
Freeview HD
Freesat HD
• IPS LED LCD
• Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Panel
• Dynamic Contrast 2,000,000:1
• Intelligent Scene Controller
• 200 Backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Motion Focus Technology
• 24p Smooth Film
• ISFccc

Networking
• VIERA CAST
• • DLNA certified
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2/DivXHD/AAC/MP3 )
• VIERA Link
• USB Terminals for Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and HDD Recording**
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio ProSurround

Eco
• Eco Mode


* Keyboard and Hard disk drive are not included.



LCD D28 Series
TX-L37D28BS/BW / TX-L32D28BS/BW/BP

Picture Quality
Freeview HD
Freesat HD
• IPS LED LCD
• Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Panel
• Dynamic Contrast 2,000,000:1
• Intelligent Scene Controller
• 200 Backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Motion Focus Technology
• 24p Smooth Film
• ISFccc


Networking
• VIERA CAST
• DLNA certified
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music
(JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2/DivXHD/AAC/MP3 )
• VIERA Link
• USB Terminals for Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and HDD Recording*
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio ProSurround

Eco
• Eco Mode

* Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and Hard disk drive are not included.



LCD D28 Series (22”/19”)
TX-L22D28BW/EP / TX-L19D28BW/BP

Picture Quality
• IPS LED LCD
• Dynamic Contrast 2,000,000:1

Networking
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo and Video (JPEG/AVCHD)
• VIERA Link
• Universal Dock for iPod included*
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio ProSurround

Eco
• Eco Mode


*The dock that is included within the package is only applicable for LCD L22D28 and L19D28. iPod is not included.




LCD D25 Series
TX-L42D25B / TX-L37D25B / TX-L32D25B
Picture Quality
Freeview HD
Freesat HD
• IPS LED LCD
• Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Panel
• Dynamic Contrast 2,000,000:1
• Intelligent Scene Controller
• 200 Backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Motion Focus Technology
• 24p Smooth Film

Networking
• VIERA CAST
• DLNA certified
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music
(JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2/DivXHD/AAC/MP3 )
• VIERA Link
• USB Terminals for Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and HDD Recording*
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio ProSurround

Eco
• Eco Mode


* Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and Hard disk drive are not included.

PDP G20 Series
TX-P50G20B / TX-P46G20B / TX-P42G20B

Picture Quality
Freeview HD
Freesat HD

• 600Hz Sub-field Drive* Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines**
• Infinite Black with Native Contrast 5,000,000:1
• THX® Certified Display***
• 24p Smooth Film
• ISFccc

Networking
• VIERA CAST
• DLNA certified
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2/AAC/DivXHD/MP3 )
• VIERA Link
• USB Terminals for Wireless LAN Aaptor, Keyboard and HDD Recording****
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio Surround

Eco
• Mercury and Lead Free Panel
• Long Panel Life, Up to 100,000 Hours
• Eco Mode

*When using cinema mode.
**Based on APDC measurement method.
***THX and the THX logo are trademarks of THX Ltd. which may be registered in some jurisdictions. All rights reserved.
**** Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and Hard disk drive are not included.



LCD G20 Series
TX-L37G20B / TX-L32G20B

Picture Quality
Freeview HD
Freesat HD
• 200 Backlight blinking Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Motion Focus Technology
• Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Alpha* Panel
• Dynamic Contrast 100,000:1
• Intelligent Scene Controller
• 24p Smooth Film
• Super Resolution

Networking
• VIERA CAST
• DLNA certified
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/AVCHD/MPEG2/DivXHD/AAC/MP3 )
• VIERA Link
• USB Terminals for Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and HDD Recording**
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio Surround

Eco
• Eco Mode

* Only 37/32G20
** Wireless LAN Adaptor, Keyboard and Hard disk drive are not included.



PDP S20 Series
TX-P50S20B / TX-P46S20B / TX-P42S20B

Picture Quality
Freeview HD
• 600Hz Sub-field Drive* Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Moving Picture Resolution 1080 Lines**
• Native Contrast 100,000:1
• 24p Playback Plus


Networking
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/MPEG2***/AVCHD)
• VIERA Link
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode

Sound
• V-Audio Surround

Eco
• Mercury and Lead Free Panel
• Long Panel Life, Up to 100,000 Hours
• Eco Mode


*When using cinema mode.
**Based on APDC measurement method.
***.mpg only




LCD S20 Series
TX-L37S20B / TX-L32S20B

Picture Quality
Freeview HD
• 100Hz Intelligent Frame Creation Pro
• Motion Focus Technology
• Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Alpha* Panel
• Dynamic Contrast 100,000:1
• Intelligent Scene Controller
• 24p Smooth Film

Networking
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/AVCHD)
• VIERA Link
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio Surround

Eco
• Eco Mode


* Only 37/32S20.


PDP X20 Series
TX-P50X20B / TX-P42X20B / TX-P37X20B

Picture Quality
• 100Hz Double Scan
• Dynamic Contrast 2,000,000:1

Networking
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/MPEG2*/AVCHD)
• VIERA Link
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode

Sound
• V-Audio Surround

Eco
• Mercury and Lead Free Panel
• Long Panel Life, Up to 100,000 Hours
• Eco Mode


***.mpg only



LCD X20 Series
TX-L32X20B / TX-L26X20B / TX-L22X20B

Picture Quality
• Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Alpha* Panel
• Dynamic Contrast 50,000:1

Link
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo, Video and Music (JPEG/AVCHD)
• VIERA Link
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode
• PC Input

Sound
• V-Audio Surround

Eco
• Eco Mode


*Only 32X20
**Only 32/26X20



LCD C20 Series
TX-L32C20B / TX-L26C20B / TX-L19C20B&BW

Picture Quality
• Wide Viewing Angle with IPS Alpha* Panel
• Dynamic Contrast 40,000:1**

Networking
• VIERA Image Viewer Photo and Video
• VIERA Link
• VIERA Tools
• Game Mode

Sound
• V-Audio

*Only 32C20
**Only 32/26C20
 
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Phil Hinton

Editor
Staff member
We will have video footage later this week along with comments on all the recent issues and the new sets.
Plus AVF reviewers did have some consultation on what should be in the new TVs and we will tell you about that later this week.

So stay tuned to this thread for accurate updated information as we get it.
 

Phil Hinton

Editor
Staff member

owen021173

Well-known Member
:clap: all excited now phil as its getting closer, looking forward to pricing on the 50G20 :thumbsup:

thanks again phil :thumbsup:
 

Noggin1980

Distinguished Member
Thanks Phil.

No 54 or 58 inch? I was probably going 50 anyway but if the 54 had been a similar price increase that the Americans have over the 50 I'd have gone with that, oh well. I'll be in less trouble with my wife with a 50 anyway.:D

Also looks like there is a 3d price premium, in fact quite a large one, 500 euro, thats disapointing and I didn't expect it to be the case. I'm not sure with no content it's going to be worth the money. It appears that the 500 euro extra is only for 3d and there isn't any other difference?

I was expecting and it seemed to be what the Americans were getting a v20 version with similar pricing to a v10 that had 3d, then a higher priced v25 version with a few extra bangs and whistles. Instead we have 2 different v20's one with 3d and one without and the 3d one haveing a serious extra wack on the price tag. It's made alot of what I've said about we don't need to worry if 3d succeeds or not because you arn't going to be paying a large premium wrong and now it seems like waiting to see if 3d takes off is sensible. Poor choice from Pansasonic that will hold back adoption.

2 Pairs of glasses instead of 1 is a tiny saving grace but that only fixes 10/15% of the price problem. Probably shouldn't comment to much before seeing actual UK prices though but the jump between the v20 and vt20 is going to be there for sure.
 
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sampo

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Also looks like there is a 3d price premium, in fact quite a large one, 500 euro, thats disapointing and I didn't expect it to be the case. I'm not sure with no content it's going to be worth the money. It appears that the 500 euro extra is only for 3d and there isn't any other difference?



Those are Danish prices, which are typically on the steep side, converted to euros on the flatpanelshd site.
 

Noggin1980

Distinguished Member
Those are Danish prices, which are typically on the steep side, converted to euros on the flatpanelshd site.

Yeah sure, but the fact we have a vt20 and a v20 model announced here that seem identical apart from the 3d means we are certain to have a 3d price premium and quite likely to be one of a similar magnitude to those prices percentage wise of 25%.

Thats going to hurt 3d adoption, now people will have to chose weather they want to pay 25% more in order to watch 3d when we don't know how much 3d content their is going to be and we don't know if 3d is going to be a success. This encourages waiting. Had the v20 model had 3d even with no or 1 pair of glasses then buying into 3d no longer needed to become a decision. you got it along with your high end tv.

Of course our prices don't need to be too much lower than those announced from the eu for the 3d model to be damn close to the old v10 price at launch, that would be great and it would be wrong of me to complain about a cheaper v20 existing but it will still hurt 3d adoption damn hard and in my mind thats a real shame.
 

sampo

Active Member
Yeah sure, but the fact we have a vt20 and a v20 model announced here that seem identical apart from the 3d means we are certain to have a 3d price premium and quite likely to be one of a similar magnitude to those prices percentage wise of 25%.

Yes. There is going to be a premium, but you aren't just paying for the 3d. VT features benefit also 2D-images(more gradations, faster phosphors). Infinite black pro is basically darker screen coating when compared to non-pro. 50" minimum size is going to limit Panasonic's target audience. It seems like that the cheaper and smaller 3D sets are coming from LCD manufacturers this year.
 

Noggin1980

Distinguished Member
Titanium in colour? Interesting.

And ISFccc as well!:clap:

Hmm hadn't noticed that, it says the 3d version is brown, that sounds a bit of a concern. It should fit well in our lounge so no worries for me but will brown sell as well as black? Will withhold comment till I see it though, I'm sure they wouldn't use something that didn't fit with most peoples front rooms.
 

Noggin1980

Distinguished Member
Yes. There is going to be a premium, but you aren't just paying for the 3d. VT features benefit also 2D-images(more gradations, faster phosphors). Infinite black pro is basically darker screen coating when compared to non-pro. 50" minimum size is going to limit Panasonic's target audience. It seems like that the cheaper and smaller 3D sets are coming from LCD manufacturers this year.

No you are just paying for the 3d look at the spec sheet. What you just said is what I expected to be the case but it isn't. There is a v20 with infinate black pro and a vt20 with infinate black pro and 3d and big wack of a price increase JUST for the 3d (unless the spec sheet is missing something),
 

sampo

Active Member
There is a v20 with infinate black pro and a vt20 with infinate black pro and 3d and big wack of a price increase JUST for the 3d (unless the spec sheet is missing something),

Obviously the spec sheet is missing the fine details. Just wait for more information. :smashin:
 

rewerb

Well-known Member
G20 has THX and ISFccc, :thumbsup:,
presumably has extra user white balance/gamma too??

Has Viera Cast too, so no G25 models.
 
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Noggin1980

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Obviously the spec sheet is missing the fine details. Just wait for more information. :smashin:

Well its not missing any of what you talked about both have infinate black pro and surprisingly both have isfccc something I expected to be a differentiator to the higher priced model. All of the phospher tech that you thought was the reason for the price is in the cheaper v20. (unless of course infinate black pro isn't the phosper tech, thats possible but kinda misleading marketing if it was the case)

There is nothing that can be missing that stops the main reason for the 25% price difference being 3d.

It's still possible that the Vt20 will be £1999 and that would be a great price and we'd have no reason to complain that there is a cheaper v20 model for people who want infinate black pro and no 3d but the fact remains that this choice will seriously hurt 3d take up and encourage waiting. It's not going to stop me the price is going to be similar (maybe a touch more than I expected) for the 3d model and I'm happy with that but there will be alot of people who say hmmm there is little to no content, I can get the best 2d picture without going 3d with the v20 it's not worth £500 and honestly that quite possibly is the smart choice even though it won't be my choice.
 
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sampo

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Well its not missing any of what you talked about both have infinate black pro and surprisingly both have isfccc something I expected to be a differentiator to the higher priced model. All of the phospher tech that you thought was the reason for the price is in the cheaper v20.

Where does it say that V20 has new phosphors and double gradations?
 

mikelj

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Any info on the commercial planels yet, or is this solely dealing with the consumer ranges?
 

Prowse

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..it says the 3d version is brown, that sounds a bit of a concern...

LOL, a brown TV!
Also amused that other models surrounds are grey - guess that'll make the blacks look blacker - no comparison with the piano black bezel. :rolleyes:
 
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