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Offical, here come the new Pioneers

Discussion in 'Blu-ray & DVD Players & Recorders' started by PhilipL, Oct 6, 2003.

  1. PhilipL

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    Thanks for that.

    Looks like my choice will be between this and the new Panny. I currently have a Dennon DVD player (ADV1000) with integrated 5.1 amp (this was because my tv shelf space was limited). Now that I can replace my VCR I want to not only get a good dvd recording machine but I also want improved playback quality on pre-recorded DVDs. Does anyone have any feeling (or facts) regarding which of Panny/Pioneer will give better playback quality on normal DVDs?

    By the way I am feeding into Sony 36NX200 TV via RGB Scart.

    Thanks,

    Max.
     
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    Good news - still no release date though! All I have heard is
    Oct/Nov - does anyone know the release date at all?
    Oh well keep looking on Multiregionmagic site until its listed and then a day off work me thinks!! :)
     
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    The DVR5100 was on the Pioneer stand at the the recent show at the Heathrow hotels.

    I asked the (very knowledgeable) sales staff about this product & they say it does not have RGB input (only s-video) & it does not do RGB loop through either.

    DOH !
     
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    Cheers for the info - which I did know about - it is not a problem for my needs.

    Regards
     
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  7. PhilipL

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    Hi

    I would be very surprised if it didn't do RGB loop through. The Pioneer 7000 does. The manual for the 3100 doesn't say whether it does or it doesn't, just that you can switch to "through" for the Scart sockets.

    Regards

    Philip
     
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    True - can you rely on sales information from shows ?

    On the Pioneer stand at the same show last year, there was a label on a DV656A DVD player stating that it had progressive output :rolleyes:
     
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    Here is a review: Go to http://www.camuser.co.uk/ and enter "7000" in the "search hardware reviews"-box, and the Pioneer should come up.

    A little sad that it not can record from RGB-signals, if I understood correctly?


    Regards,
    Ari H.
    Norway
     
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    These recorders use DVD-RW to record, how does this differ to DVD-RAM. Do you have to record the whole disc, then start again? I know DVD-RAM can be used like a Hard Drive, which is just fantastic.
    Azzo.
     
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    DVD-RW is a bit of the best of both worlds. You can record in Video mode in which your recordings will play on most DVD players (in fact DVD-RW is THE most compatible re-writeable DVD format). Or you can record in VR Mode which has the same editting features as DVD-RAM. Some models (such as the Pioneers) also allow Timeslip.
     
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    Hi

    Also DVD-RW goes for around 90p per disc. While you only get 1000 rewrites against DVD-RAMs 100,000 it isn't bad when you consider that:

    A DVD-RAM disc will likely out live you, whereas DVD-RW disc will likely out live itself, i.e. it will be around long enough until it is superceeded by something else.

    DVD-RAMs big advantage is its robustness when bought and used cartridged. Bare media can easily be damaged by careless handling (think sticky fingers and toddlers).

    Regards

    Philip
     
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    Ah I see, I've been discounting non DVD-RAM drives as I liked the HD features, I may look into the DVD-RW drives again (theres more choice), only I do like time-slip. This means that you can read and write at the same time using DVD-RW then?
    Azzo
     
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    Hi

    Yes they work just DVD-RAM in that respect although you must use x2 media. I have just realised this pushed the price up to around £1.50 a disc currently, but that will drop.

    Regards

    Philip
     
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    Pentode

    The UK brochure is now available and it would appear you are right about the RGB in :( :( :(
     
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    Hi

    Are we getting confused here?

    The Pioneer 7000 does not accept RGB signals for recording, but passes RGB through between SCART 2 and 1, aka RGB Loop through.

    The 5100 and 3100 models are the same, they will pass RGB as a loop through, but will not accept RGB signals for recording.

    Regards

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    Yes it seems so - didn't see the word "loop through" :blush:
     
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    The long wait is over, the Pioneer 5100 is now out, picked mine up yesterday afternoon, initial impressions are very good.
     
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    Did you source a multi-region?
     
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    No it is region 2 (although I got it from Multiregionmagic :)
    They are trying to resolve the issue (he did explain the problem but it went right over my head :) Was not a massive issue for me as I have 2 other players which are enabled so was not to worried.
    Regards
     
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    I wonder if these are anything like the ones launched in the US at http://www.pioneerburner.com/

    Those have TiVO compatibility and interface.
     
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    Is this before or after you've finalised it?;)
     
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    Yes it took me all of a minute to finalise an R-W on the 5100 last night :)

    I was thinking of taking it back because of this :)
     
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    Can you record directly to DVD-RW as well as the hard drive or do you have to dub to the DVD fromt he hard drive?
     
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    No you can record directly to DVD if you wish.
    Regards
     
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    Yeh - probably the right thing to do; it's the hassle of unfinalising and all that nonsense. What were you thinking of changing to?
     
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    Have been thinking about purchasing either the 5100 or E100 Panasonic.

    Although the lack of RGB is a pain the whole interface on the recorder looks superb.

    Would appreciate some feedback on the 5100 now it's available.

    Mark
     

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