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Of interest to WWF viewers...

Discussion in 'Satellite TV, Sky TV & FreeSat' started by pointon, Jan 8, 2002.

  1. pointon

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    WWF is the most pathethic rubbish i have ever seen on TV!!! I don't know what people see in it??

    whats so good about watching a bunch of steriod freaks running and jumping about in lycra??
     
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    Pointon - please respond. I am intrigued by the people who watch WWF. As an adult do you actually believe what you are watching is real ? both the 'action' and the shouting that goes on between the 'fights' ? everyone to thier own and all that but I find WWF very very strange
     
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    It's a soap for guys basically, with the same standards of bad acting and poorly done fight scenes. But like any soap, it can be quite addictive, and when you're watching it after a night out, not exactly yourself, it's very entertaining. I'm not a crazed fan, I don't own action figures or T-shirts, but at 2am it's a good laugh.

    THe wrestling culture inrigues me though. I put together an essay on the wrestling following compared to normal soaps for a cultural studies essay a few years ago. From what I found, I did end up with a lot of respect for the people who make a living from wrestling. They are athletes, but not in the same sense as others, their sport is not play fighting, is not pretending to hurt someone. Their sport is more pretending to hurt themselves, without actually getting hurt, to entertain. I don't expect anyone to understand that without going through the research material I went through. There is a very good documentary 'Beyond The Mat...' which I would recommend.

    Anyway, I purposely made the subject 'Of interest to WWF viewers...' so that non-WWF viewers wouldn't have to read it, and people who feel it their place to put down something another person may enjoy, were not obliged to share their oh-so constructive criticism with us.
     
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    The World Wildlife Fund have their own channel???

    Seriously - I thought there was some kind of court case between these two and the Wildlife people won?

    Am I dreaming?
     
  6. pointon

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    That's true. A dispute has been going one for a long time between these two, and came to an end in the World Wildlife Fund's favour.

    I think it means that the wrestling WWF have to stop using the first W, and they have to give up the WWF.com website.

    Haven't seen anything come of it so far though.
     
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    errr.......Wrestling is really a soap........thats something new..i've never heard it called that before!!

    But don't soaps have er......er....a script, and a storyline.....and a really thin plot.....??

    As for "its a laugh when you get in at 2am".....loads of things are laugh at 2am in morning, like all those really bad b-movies on Bravo, or those ultra soft-porn movies....but it doesn't make them good!

    But you also seem to forget that Sky1 show wrestling at 1pm on a sunday afternoon....not exactly what you want to watch really??
     
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    Sounds like wrestling to me.................
     
  9. pointon

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    Yes they do... which proves my point really, cos that's what wrestling is.

    It is a laugh. I didn't say it was good. It's hardly shakespeare. It's a pantomime, but a bloody entertaining one if you approach it correctly (IE. don't try to think, just let yourself be a kid again, albeit a drunk one).

    There ain't no way I'm watching all those little crappy shows that are always on, and no way in hell I'm watching it on a Sunday afternoon. And also no way am I paying £14 to watch it.

    Sounds to me like I explained it very well mjn, you appear to understand.
     
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    When you watch a movie and people get shot/killed/have affairs/rob banks/laugh/shout/scream/cry etc. etc. etc DO YOU think that it's real?????:rolleyes:
     
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    That's got me thinking - lets start a campaign to get WWF on Sky movies rather than .... and dont laugh a 'sports' channel or better still lets just make it pay per view so my £37 per month isn't subsidising trailer trash tv
     
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    Yeah, like that's going to happen. WWF programming is one of the most watched load of crap Sky have to offer.

    I prefer this crap to the even crapper crap Sky are intent on shoving down our throats. Like whole days of amazing magic or some-or-other-haven-of-the-idiotic-cretins-revealed.
     
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    You missed my point :rolleyes:

    My point was that the majority of fans KNOW it's not real just as YOU undoubtedly know movies aren't real but knowing movies are not real doesn't spoil your enjoyment of them to wrestling fans knowing it's not real doesn't bother them too much either!

    I doubt if there is that much of your £37 subscription goes on wrestling! If you watch EVERYTHING else they show and enjoy it then fair point but I doubt you do.
     
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    I read this argument with great interest and (as always) the point about soaps/films also being fake was raised, but although I think that's a good point and one that sensible folk will understand, I honestly don't think it goes far enough IMO.

    If you analyse it properly, films and soaps are much MORE fake and staged than wrestling will ever be. The appeal of wrestling (to the smart fan) is that it's a fairly organic storyline-based entertainment. How many other soaps are performed real-time live? how many other soaps have genuinely high-risk moments? (wrestlers have broken their limbs/backs on TV and one died in an accident as part of a PPV). How many soaps incorporate truly improvisational rhetoric and natural interraction between its stars?. The answer (as you may have guessed) is NONE and that's exactly why the WWF is so popular. It provides a silly but enjoyable mixture of pagentry and athletisism which works for kids (as an exciting sport) and well adjusted adults too (as a guilty pleasure).

    There's also the politics behind-the-scenes for long-time fans to get interested in, but when all's said and done it's just a bit of fun!. I'm not a rabid fan BTW (although reading this back, that's how I sound), it's just the hypocrisy that annoys me. People who watch Eastenders religiously (a programme that is 100% fake) moaning brainlessly about how crappy wrestling is because it's fake (yet only about 50% of WWF's programming is set-in-stone). if you investigated how much of each 'match' is pre-ordained it's only about half. Obviously they know how it will end and they know 3 or 4 tricky exchanges, but the rest is free-form (and unlike Eastenders, they only get one take!). The same goes for the interviews/commentary etc, but I'll spare you any further examples.

    Basically though, some people just need to lighten up a bit and should maybe think about what they're saying before making egocentic remarks (that are both unwelcome and misguided).
     
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    An interesting thread - my original point was to establish if fans of American Wrestling actually believed what they were watching was real and it appears thankfully that the majority percieve it as a drama and accept that the result of each 'fight' is planned beforehand. I would still question it being on a sports channel but I do accept that the guys that do this are incredibly fit (I remember the Louis Theroux episode when he was being sick after training with them) I just wish if everyone accepts it as theatre why the 'actors' can't 'come out' and admit that. And again as I said in my first reply, everyone to their own, but it's not for me

    Thanks
     
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    No one over the age of eleven believe that what they are watching is genuine. But you learn to have some respect for the injury and often death defying things these professional 'sports-entertainment' (whatever that's supposed to mean) stars do.

    As for the actors 'coming out', in the days of old, these actors would have been contracted to do even interviews in character, and would never admit to any part of their matches being faked or even preordained. They're a lot more relaxed nowadays and openly admit that it is - and even use the word - fake.
     

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