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NW-HD3 or a Nano/Mini?

Discussion in 'Headphones, Earphones & Portable Music' started by clonmult, Oct 3, 2005.

  1. clonmult

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    It seems so early to be talking about christmas presents, but here goes ...

    Our daughter is wanting an iPod for christmas; originally I was torn between the 2g nano and trying to get hold of a 4gig mini.

    What has thrown me into uncertainty is seeing that you can now get the NW-HD3 for around £130 - less money, but 5 or 10 times the space. I've used Sonic Stage before (I have a Sony NetMD player), so that isn't an issue.

    Any comments or suggestions as to which one? I figure the Sony is possibly the more practical product - a lot more space, better battery life, and for me at least, it looks better (convincing my daughter may be another matter though!).
     
  2. alike

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    dont waste your money on crappy ipods! didnt you see all the stuff on the news about screen scratching etc....its the hd5 button issue all over again. also there is the battery life issue (with the ipods) and the fact that though they are about £50 more expensive they have less than 1/4 of the storage. i have had my hd3 since may now and i am very happy with it. also its not like its *that* ugly
     
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    I think the HD3 is the better product.

    However, I think if your daughter has asked for an iPod, you should get her that. Just because you think the HD3 is better, doesn't mean she necessarily will.

    You don't want her to be disappointed!
     
  4. Cloysterpeteuk

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    And why shouldn't he buy one now that the screen issue has been resolved?, the batch affected was 0.1% of the total shipped and none of the nano's now for sale will be affected.

    Nano has plently of advatages - especially if you daughter is a teen, obviously she is going to want something slick, stylish and tiny like the 42gram nano, she probably wants to buy into the whole ipod culture as her friends all have them, she wants something that's easy to use both in terms of the scroll wheel and the menu's, that gets songs from the PC to the pod easy, she wants the gorgeous color screen for the album art and song lyrics. Somehow I don't think she will be too concerned about gapless playback or the average battery playback of the ipod. Oh and if you if you go for the ipod try and find out if she would like anything engraved on the back as Apple does that free of charge which is a nice touch.

    I think it's safe to say that these are the primary issues that most teenagers care about when buying mp3 players. Sure there are always some audophiles kicking about, but the majority just want the latest hot gadget not a Sony that isn't even the latest model!. She will probably want it for her mates reaction depending on her age, if she shows the nano to her mates she will get "oh sweet, nice one", or "what's that then?" if you get her a Network Walkman.
     
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    Get what your daughter wants. By Christmas, the HD3 will most certainly be completely ghetto. In terms of navigation and usage, it's light years behind the Nano as well. The HD5 is slightly better and they might come down in price when the NW-A1/3000's are released in the runup to Christmas.
     
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    Yes, I would agree, get the one that your daughter wants because anything else will probably be a disappointment to her. Make sure you have Windows XP though as it's needed for iTunes.
     
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    Another tick against the iPod/get-her-what-she-wants box from me!

    Quite apart from the argument of which is better/more appropriate out of the two players, I know how disappointing it is asking for something for Christmas and being given something similar instead. My nan's decision to give me a Murphy (remember them?) cassette player one year rather than the equivalent Sony Walkman is a crushing case in point; not least, because those crappy old Murphy's only had three buttons: STOP, FFWD and SHRED!!
     
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    Works with 2000 as well, but not ME.
     
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    Very true, I always forget about Windows 2000 :blush:
     
  10. clonmult

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    Well said! One of the probs is that she's wound up by the number of tracks she can fit on her current MP3 player (256mb Napa), so I was figuring that the Sony, with a 20gig drive, would be a better bet than a 2gig Nano ..

    And last night, whilst looking around Argos, she came out and said "I don't know if I want an iPod now ....." kids, eh?

    Right now though, I'm trying to work out a way that I can get a HD3 for myself; my birthday/chrimbo budget (ie. whats left after we've bought for the kids) will probably only allow either a SE W800, or maybe get a W550 and a HD3 ... choices, choices!
     
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    Hmmmmm this is a tricky one.

    I am a teenager (male) and unlike the rest I don't get sucked onto the iPod bandwagon. I may be a minority but I actually care about getting good products and not just popular ones. For birthday or christmas I would never trust my parents to buy me something, I either ask for money or choose the thing myself. I try to research the product as much as I can, and if possible, test it out.

    Im not sure how old your daughter is but if she specifically asked for the Nano, then if I were her I would be disappointed if I got something else similar, sometimes for reasons like Shadowritten explained, lol.
    If you can, convince here why the HD3 is heaps better and that would be the only way you could get away with it. Anothing thing, with the HD3, if the stock 'phones are anything like the HD5's then throw them away and get a decent pair, that will make the price difference a little less though.

    Mention things like:

    - Battery lasts at least twice as long.
    - Sound is far better (get her some good headphones).
    - No gaps between the Songs, it plays exactly like a cd player unlike the iPod.
    - it can store 5 times the amount of songs, and if she likes music then she will need it.
    - Well, can probably play like 10 times the amount of songs at the same quality if you use the superior atrac3+ at 64kbps.
    - Wont scratch or crack (specially screen)
    - Its not that much bigger.
    - Its also cheaper (if you want to tell her or not is up to you) you might be able to afford to get her something else as well, like a car adaptor or a few CD's.

    Can't think of anything else at the moment.

    A few questions,
    -What player is she using now?
    -How many songs does she own or might own before she gets a new player?
    -Does she have any CDs that require gapless, eg live albums (blink182, Dido live, Linkin park live in texas) or any normal CDs that have merging tracks (link park -all of them i think, gorillaz, dance music and stuff)? What music is she into? (sorry for the examples, they are just all i could think of at the moment that I have)
    -Does she care about sound quality?
     
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    Sounds like I have the same daughter :rotfl: she wants one she doesn't Now she has told me "yes I do want one for my birthday and a Limo and a meal with me friends :eek: " just ordered it from Apple and I better get some overtime in. Yeh kids who would have em.
     
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    - She's got a Napa 256meg at the moment; with a cracked screen though.
    - as for music, she listens to anything charts or RnB; and quantity - I have lots of MP3 cds that she'd look through.
    - doesn't really care that much about sound quality - she mainly wants quantity.


    I don't tend to use SonicStage on my MD.Net; I prefer the Nero/ImageDrive/Simpleburner solution - can you use SimpleBurner (1 or 2) on the NW-HD1/3/5?

    Also, and this is definitely for me, could I use the remote from my MZ-N510; its one of the stick remotes, no display, with play/pause, stop, next/prev, next/prev group?
     
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    She's in her last year of school, and she's already talking about the Limo for the leavers ball. Her cousin is a year older, and he only just seems to have had the leavers ball. Kids, eh :rolleyes:
     
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    Guys,

    a female friend consulted me before buying a DAP recently. While acknowledging that what she wanted really was a phone with a music player.

    No matter how much i tried to present to her the pluses and minuses of alternatives to the Nano, (i will use the phrase from a children's book Laura's Star), i "felt the longing" in her for the iThing. I gave up when she just said "i read in CNET that Sony's UI is cumbersome" as an excuse to goe with her heart.

    iPod Nano is IMO very nice, beatifully designed product BUT, it is nowhere near as better than the opposition as the sales figures suggest, and really, except its size has no functional advantages versus existing products. The fact is that people still buy the iHype.

    Interestingly, the indications (eg by the massive media campaign) are that Apple understands that it now sells to owners of DAP rather than to DAP virgins, and it has to "justify" buying "another iPod" by people/households that already own significantly more than one (Apple) iPod per person (by the way, i will put a poll about this soon). It does not stop the Nano being out of stock in most of Dixons though. I sometimes wonder why they stock about 20 other DAP brands. Nobody seems to buy anything else while the iPOd pedestals are usually empty...

    But as the heading of this post sugges, people want the iPod, and as much as it is depressing to see the herd of white leads in the train stations :suicide: it is a fact of life now.

    So, ClonMult, if you already have not bot the iUntouchable, i wud bet my bottom dollar that eventualy you will succumb (if not already).

    another interesting point. A colleague complained that Nano's screen went dead after four days and scratched awfully.
     
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    So, Steve Jobs reality distortion field is supplied with the iPod at all points. In fact, it seems that his reality distortion field is increasing in power almost exponentially.
     
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    Don't forget the HardDisc vs Flash memory question.

    I would ony buy flash...
     
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    Sorry, clonmult, I dont get the point of your post.
     
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    I've been in the IT business for too long; guess you're a little younger than me.

    Steve Jobs has this incredible ability to distort reality, so that something that is merely "good" becomes totally freakin' awesome, and he somehow manages to convince everyone around him that its the greatest thing ever.

    Go to wikipedia : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reality_distortion_field
     
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    I have to agree that if I'm carrying it around a lot (in my pocket), then I'd go solid state. If the device is pretty stationary (ie. in my car), then HD is a better bet, purely on capacity.

    This is one reason why I'm sure that the Nokia N91 is doomed. Mobile phone with a hard drive? Naaaaa.
     
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    I can see how RDF would've got me, were I not a more savvy consumer! Watching the iPod Nano launch event online, I felt myself wishing I belonged to Club iPod. Fortunately, I looked away from my screen and switched off my PC speakers before it all got too much!
     
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    I've never heard of that player. But It does sound like time for a new one.

    If she doesn't listen to actual albums but just single songs instead then she probably wouldn't care about gapless, so the Nano would be ok there.

    She doesn't care about sound quality (as expected) so the Nano would be OK there as well.

    THe problem is that if she wants quantity, the Nano is not so good there. 4 gig is not that much so the HD3's 20 gig drive would be better. Plus iPod dont use Atrac so you have to use a higher bitrate encoding to get the same quality and that would fit less songs and make the already low on juice battery drain quicker.

    So you really have to work out, how many songs all up she would have, and it also depends whether she would want her whole collection on it instead of just the ones she currently likes.

    No matter how much I hate to say it but I'd say the Nano is the one to go for, iPod just gets hold of most people and no matter what you tell them or show them regarding specs or flaws they still like it. What can you do.

    The stock headphones are pretty good with the nano so you wont need to get new ones, although they dont sound that great with the iPod itself, they sound great on my HD5.
    You might want to get a case as well to prevent the scratching, probably a screen protector is worth it.

    I don't think you can use nero with the HD3, but the latest sonicstage is good, version 3.2, goto the Sony UK website. There are other programs like MP3 filemanager, and vaio transfer, but SS is better.


    I have used a MiniDisk remote (no screen) with the HD5, but its not that functional. I dont think you can actually start to play but once its going you can skip tracks and stuff. I did a detailed review/test on the forum in the past, so you can go and search for it if you like, it had some pretty wierd things when you press different buttons made for the MD.



    I'm in my last year of school in Australia (year 12), my exams are in a few weeks. I got a limo from my school (graduation) to the formal, where we went on a dinner cruise through sydney harbour. The limo was about Aus $400 overall and it seated like 9 people or something (So it was cheap per person, well it probably would have cost more in petrol to drive there hehehe). It was new and looked stunning, it had neon lights on the side. The little bar wasn't stocked with alcohol though, damn. So yeah its a cool experience.
     
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    I would just make sure she knows what options are out there & help her work out what is important to her. Don't underestimate her!! Some teenage girls aren't pack followers - I know I wasn't.

    A friend has just bought an HD5 for his teenage daughter (on her request) after she had a play around with mine.
     
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    Not so it's flash memory so the bitrates of files have no impact on battery life, accessing massive files on a nano draws the same amount of power as a small file as it doesn't have to spin a hard drive more often to fill it's song cache as would have previously been the case. I also wouldn't say the theoretical 14 hours is low, I would say it's about average seeing as there are still plenty of players out there that offer a theoretical 8 hours so I would say the ipod works out as average for battery life.
     
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    The Nano sounds decent, has excellent usability, and extremely high cool factor. Next to it even the HD5 looks like a dinasour, let alone the HD3.


    Pack followers or not, this is what it boils down to. It's just a very cool, very usable player.
     
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    You put any lyrics/album art or yours dodgy?, might aswell use that color screen. I've done all the album art and have maybe sixty tracks left to find lyrics for.
     
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    I'll concede the cool factor, no contest. Does it genuinely fit into that tiny pocket above the main pocket on a pair of jeans (a la, Steve Jobs' launch presentation)?
     
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    Oh yes, I did the carpenter pocket test as soon as I got it, hilarious when Jobs pulled the nano out of that crappy little pocket.
     

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